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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:42 PM
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Texas history in Rethug crossover voting in Dem primaries
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:44 PM by UTUSN
Back in the day, before Dem powerbroker Bob BULLOCK traitored-out in helping Shrub become governor, the Dems ruled all of Texas.


The core Rethugs, who, then as now, ALWAYS vote (whereas the mass of eligible Dems DON'T vote), learned how to maximize what little voting power they had.


Since the Dem nominee would always win in November (often there weren't even any Rethugs running), Rethugs took to voting in the Dem primaries, in order to pick the most Rethug-like among the Dem candidates. Then in the General Election, they either voted for their Rethug nominee or sometimes even voted for the DINO.


After Shrub, the Rethugs took majority power, and they became competitive in some areas. So the Rethugs STILL frequently vote in the Dem primaries, with a different motivation, to pick the WEAKEST Dem nominee, the easiest one for their Rethug nominee to beat. They, of course, vote RETHUG in the General. There is NO "best candidate" motivation for them in crossing over.

They are pure scum-sucking a-holes.


P.S., by the bye, this is what they did with Joementum.


P.P.S., any Dem who TRUSTS Rethugs, wants to work with them, wants a "unity" party or ticket, is a damned FOOL!1
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:55 PM
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1. Repukes = Scorpion, Negotiating Dems = Frog
The Scorpion and the Frog
One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.
The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."


Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:06 PM
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2. Mae WEST: "Goodness had NOTHING to do with it!1" n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:17 PM
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3. Yep. And I do love that line....
Hatcheck girl:Goodness, what lovely diamonds.

Mae West:Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:28 PM
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4. This was back when Texas was a two-party state
the liberal Democrats vs. the conservative Democrats.

The growth of the GOP in Texas started in 1978 with the election of Bill Clements as governor, the first GOP governor since Reconstruction in Texas. However, the GOP didn't really start making solid inroads into the state-wide offices until the mid-1990's which as far as I'm concerned coincided with Bill White forcing Bob Slagle out as the state party chair. White was about as worthless a state chair as there ever was in Texas. It has been downhill ever since.

For the record, Bullock supported Ann Richards in 1990 against Clayton Williams and for reelection against Bush in 1994. Bullock supported Bush in 1998 for reelection even though he himself did not run for reelection.

Bob Bullock was a very good man whose faith in Bush was betrayed. I knew Bullock. I hold him in the highest regard and sorely miss him. Those of us that knew Bullock felt at one time that Bush might not have done the things he was doing as president during his first term had Bullock been around. Bullock kept Bush under control while he was governor and Bush listened to Bullock. Since then, there's been nobody that could control Bush, not even his dad.

Your analysis is way off. Republics may cross over occasionally but overall the reason they keep winning is because they have managed to completely outmaneuver the Democrats every step of the way for the last 10 years. The Democrats do not have cross overs to blame, they only have theirselves to blame and the sorry bunch of state chairs that have come in and out like a revolving door for the last 10 years.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:17 PM
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5. My "analysis" is of the archetypal sort, not of the detailed history type.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 04:41 PM by UTUSN
Witness the mock fairy tale language. Poster #1 got it and replied in kind. There was ONE THROWAWAY PHRASE about BULLOCK-Shrub. The SUBJECT of the post was Rethug crossover vote and motivations, not the biographies of BULLOCK and Shrub.


As for BULLOCK being a good man. I really do believe that anybody who takes the Dem label has SOME chip of goodness in them, at least to start with, but let's just say, to counter your anecdotes, that I know of somebody down the administrative chain who experienced the AWFUL POWER of a wrathful BULLOCK, and it wasn't a pretty picture.


The bottom line is that BULLOCK played footsie with Shrub. I *know* that Shrub went fake hat in hand to ask for his blessing. I don't believe that would happen AFTER his having been governor. It had to have been before.


If BULLOCK thought he could "control" Shrub OR that he could make silk out of a sow's ear, he was that much the more daft for it. And therein lies even more room for my cautionary tale.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:15 PM
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6. Hell had no fury like Bob Bullock pissed off!
Bullock was one man you didn't want pissed off at you. He was legendary for being pissed off. But Bullock was loyal to his friends to a fault and he had countless true friends. He was a great and good man.

When Bush beat Ann in 1994, if you read between the lines in Bullock's inaugural speech for his reelection, he basicly told Bush to just sit back, be the governor and Bullock would make Bush look good. Bush was governor but Bullock was the Lt. Governor and THE most powerful person in the state and Bush had better remember that. That year the GOP had taken over the Senate so Bullock had to play ball with the GOP, but he was still the gatekeeper for legislation. Republicans got some of what they wanted (mostly business related) and Democrats got what they wanted. There never was any damaging legislation passed while Bullock was Lt. Governor and Bush was governor.

As for Bullock controlling or at least influencing Bush, Bush had little choice but to sign legislation Bullock sent to him so in that respect, Bullock controlled Bush. The anecdotes I heard from those around Bullock were that Bullock had tried to take Bush under his wing and guide him.

The last conversation I had with Bullock was about a year before he died. I asked him why he didn't run again and he said his health wasn't the best and that he had bought a mobile home and wanted to do some traveling. Unrelated to running again, I believe he also said he had gotten hurt doing something and was recovering from it, maybe something having to do with his mobile home. I forget now, that was 10 years ago and I hadn't thought about that conversation in a long time.

Bullock died in 1999. Bush became president in 2000. So we'll never really know if Bullock could have had a sobering influence on him after he became president. But over the years I've heard many people remark that Bullock was doing flips in his grave at what Bush was doing as president.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:33 PM
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7. Not BULLOCK or NOBODY would have a sobering influence on Shrub
BULLOCK was an old, powerful, White, powerful MALE, and that's ALL that Shrub understands.

Shrub's deal with the various DEVILS is ALL with RICH, old, powerful, White MALES.



CHEENEE is who calls the shots. BULLOCK *never* had a say after he helped Shrub get installed and on his way.


BULLOCK would NEVER have any say-so on Shrub's actions. CHEENEE is who took over.



Now, let's review:

This thread (o.p.) is about "Rethug dirty tricks" specifically "crossing over to vote in Dem primaries."

Diverting the subject is nowheresville.
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