"Obama is cut from similar cloth as Bill and Hillary. He’s a Democratic Leadership Council man."

ummm...



http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29802

.......Independent-minded progressives need to be clear about Barack Obama: he is not one of us.

Last week I happened to see an article which compared Hillary Clinton’s voting record in the U.S. Senate with Obama’s. I remember the numbers: 82.5 vs. 79.8. The numbers placed them on a most conservative (1) to most liberal (100) scale in relationship to others in the Senate. (Keep in mind that 55 members of the U.S. Senate last year were Republicans, and it’s not exactly a progressive institution.]

I don’t remember whether Clinton or Obama had the higher 82.5 rating, but it really doesn’t matter given the closeness of the two numbers.

As African American author and activist Kevin Gray has written, there should be no doubt about it: Obama is cut from similar cloth as Bill and Hillary. He’s a Democratic Leadership Council man. Progressives beware.

Ted Glick works with the Climate Crisis Coalition and the Independent Progressive Politics Network. His seven years of Future Hope columns are archived at www.ippn.org. He can be reached at indpol@igc.orgThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it or P.O. Box 1132, Bloomfield, N.J. 07003.

I am NOT voting for Obama or Clinton. I will stay home.

...god forbid voting for one of them, hell, lets just stay home, and let a huckabee or a romney win...yeah, that would be loads better!

that would be one more vote for the opposition, and we all know we do not want the repigs in again.

Lost of links to actual votes, detailed analysis of the votes, and how they compiled the numbers. Thanks for this awesome information bomb.

On the other hand, I've been criticized as "TOO independent" and "TOO progressive".

BAH!!!

:rofl:

The "prophet sydrome" or "over-confident pundit syndrome" has really run amok among political participants.

or Nader.

:eyes:

At least Obama didn't sponsor the war or vote for IWR. Besides that, same difference. I'll still find it easiest to vote for Obama IN GE,

in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend. “It does appear that, without my knowledge, the DLC…listed me in their ‘New Democrat’ directory,” Obama continued. “Because I agree that such a directory implies membership, I will be calling the DLC to have my name removed, and appreciate your having brought this fact to my attention.”

link: http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

He'd be the most conservative of the three of them.

For Edwards to vote for a bankruptcy bill that even Bill (DLC) Clinton vetoed, is bad enough, but he even voted for the amendment that denied bankruptcy protection to people who needed it because of devastating medical bills.

That's just reprehensible.

Edwards was DLC.

A guy who seems to love bashing "liberals", spouts GOP talking points on Social Security privatization and lives in the pants of Wall Street is not exactly making me feel good about his message of "hope" and "change".

Edwards may still be a DLC member, I don't know. But his platform is about as anti-DLC as it gets.

that Obama cleared up four and a half years ago.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

He may not be a member, but he's a DLCer's wet dream. Young, handsome, charismatic and oh so corporate. Yum!

Come on, you weren't born yesterday.

He never voted for a bankruptcy reform bill. He also doesn't have a League of Conservation Voters' score of around 60.

Out of Harvard Law School, as one who was on the Harvard Law Review, and to use your words, "young, handsome and charismatic", he took a job as a public advocate. He was on the streets of the South Side of Chicago organizing to help people. He didn't sign on as a corporate lawyer with a big salary or a trial lawyer, where he would amass a fortune. (Compare the net worth or the Obamas vs the Edwards) In fact, Edwards did work for a corporate law firm for awhile and Edwards didn't.

Edwards, not Obama, earned around a half million a year for working a few days a month for a hedge fund - to learn about poverty. Obama didn't need to as an advocate on the south side of Chicago, he saw plenty of real poverty and in the Illinois Senate worked on legislation to help.

I can believe a candidate whose views have evolved over a candidate who seems to want to hide his views behind flowery rhetoric. Every time we get down the specifics with Obama, he sounds more and more like a right-wing DLCer.

about nuking Iran, not Obama:

Let me be clear: Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons. For years, the US hasn’t done enough to deal with what I have seen as a threat from Iran. As my country stayed on the sidelines, these problems got worse. To a large extent, the US abdicated its responsibility to the Europeans. . . . As to what to do, we should not take anything off the table.

http://www.herzliyaconference.org/Eng/_Articles/Article.asp?ArticleID=1728&CategoryID=223

Snap out of it.

I don't agree with everything Edwards says, but at least he says something. Obama seems to cast this spell over people while not committing to anything. If anyone needs to "snap out of it", it's the members of the cult of Obama.

nt

I assume you know how to use "the google"?

That part?

Anyway the question here is whether Obama is or ever has been a member of the DLC and the answer is no. No, no, no, no, no. NO.

I never said Obama was a member of the DLC, quite the opposite. However, his positions are much closer the the DLC than any other candidate besides Hillary.

Can't be helped. :)

Either prove what you're saying or go bother someone else.

And once the mods get around to deleting your posts, you won't have even that.

:thumbsup:

http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm

(aside) Mr. Glick's apparently referring to Cohen's analysis.

Show me the votes that he is DLC using ONLY Senate.gov roll call votes.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00044

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00209

Where do people get off with lying like this?

he is doing anything more than pandering with no conviction or intention of follow through, you are beyond gullible.

....takes too much dough from corporations/lobbyists and isn't as progressive as Edwards. I'll support him if he's the nom.