A tale of the Nutrasweet, by the greyhound...

As with most of the miasma we are subjected to today, this tale has its roots in the reign of "saint Ronnie of the rayun". It started as a reply to a query, but I kind of went off, so here you are...

There once was a particularly obnoxious bureaucrat that ran the FDA, named Donald Rumsfeld. Now this fellow had a strong inclination toward heinous tools and methods of death and destruction, all in the name corporate profits, and some of his friends, the corporate executives of the Searle, had spent a lot of their precious money to make a better poison for vermin. Now unfortunately, while the vermin really liked this new creation, because it was very sweet, it didn't do a very good job of killing them, for the vermin had to eat enormous quantities for a long before they got sick and died, what were they to do?

Now at the same time the mercinary knights of lobbying, while working for the industry of pharmaceutical, were trying very hard to make it easier to get their products into 'the marketplace', but alas, the FDA was so concerned for the health and welfare of the sheeple, that they had created a very expensive and time consuming process that must be completed and, worst of all, paid for by the companies of pharmaceutical , before they were allowed to sell their drugs to the sheeple.

Now, this lobbying fellow had been working with the obnoxious bureaucrat to try to find a way to make the idea of experimenting on the sheeple, while making the sheeple themselves pay for it, more appealing to those sheeple, and together they came up with a 'catch phrase' called 'fast track'. "We have created marvelous new drugs that will make you young and beautiful for the rest of your lives" they told the female sheep, "Not only that", they told the male sheep, "We have other drugs that will give you a permanent hard-on, now wouldn't that be great?", but we cannot let you have these marvelous new drugs because the bad bureaucracy makes us spend lots of time and money to test these drugs before we can give them to you. "BLEAT, BLEAT!" cried the sheep, and turned to their shepherd, Ronnie of the raygun, and bleated "What can you do to help us"? "We want to be young and beautiful for the rest of our lives and have permanent hard-ons, but the evil FDA, won't let us have them", they were very angry.

"Well, let me see what I can do" said Ronnie, his head bobbing to and fro, and he turned to the obnoxious bureaucrat and said, "give my flock what they want", and went back to sleep.

The obnoxious bureaucrat had only one problem with 'fast track' and that was the wrong-headed scientists that worked under him. "We can't let this pass", they cried, "it is dangerous and many of the sheep will get sick and die, it is against our principles." We'll see about that, sneered the obnoxious bureaucrat, who in turn, went to his executive friends and told them what had happened.

In the meantime, the other executives of Searle, the one's that made the poison for vermin that didn't kill vermin, were still having trouble selling their non-lethal poison and told the obnoxious bureaucrat, "If you help us sell our poison, we will give you a very good job". "How good?" asked the obnoxious bureaucrat. "Why, we will make you King Executive of our company if you can sell our poison" they replied.

"King Executive, wow! That would certainly be nice" thought the obnoxious bureaucrat, and he set his twisted mind to the task. How to sell a poison for vermin that will not kill the vermin? It was quite a problem and he thought, and thought, rejecting one idea after another, but nothing came to him. Until one day, the obnoxious bureaucrat was reading a new study from the wrong-headed scientists that showed another of the products over which he had authority, called saccharine, said that if vermin ate enough of it they would develop cancer and die. Suddenly, a light went off in the obnoxious bureaucrat's head, for he now had a solution to both of his problems.

He went to the pharmaceutical lobby and told them, "Shepherd Ronnie of the Raygun had told me to give his flock your drugs and the 'fast track' is how we can do it, then he turned to the the executives of the Searle and told them, "I have come up with a brilliant plan for you to sell your non-lethal vermin poison, and I will tell you what it is and you will make me King Executive, but you will have to spend more money. "Tell us what it is and we will make you rich" they cried, for they were in grave danger of losing their fortunes.

And so, he got the executives from the industry of pharmaceutical and the executives of the Searle together and unveiled his scheme. "First we will hire an advertising company to tell the sheeple of our 'fast track' so that they can buy your youth, beauty and hard-on inducing drugs, without you having to pay for all the testing and studies". "Fine" said the pharmaceutical executives. "But, what of us?" asked the executives of the Searle, "How will that help us to sell our non-lethal vermin poison"? And this is when Donald the obnoxious bureaucrat, unveiled his brilliant plan, "We will not sell it as non-lethal vermin poison, we will call it Nutrasweet and sell it as diet sweetener, instead. Once the sheep get the 'fast track' plan they will want after our advertising, we will put your non-lethal vermin poison through the process as a sweetener," he declared with an evil laugh, "and since it takes so long and so much, to kill, it will get through just fine"!

Soon thereafter, Donald the obnoxious bureaucrat, carried out his plan for the 'fast track' and shortly after that it was approved by the sheeple's representatives, he quit his job at the evil FDA and was, indeed, made King Executive of the Searle, and was showered with money, for they could not make their non-lethal vermin poison fast enough to keep up with the demand of the sheeple, and they happily paid to be experimented on by the industries of pharmaceutical, who did give them many, many, new drugs that made them young and beautiful with permanent hard-ons, for the rest of their lives, which were only a little shorter now, but then that is what sheep are for, isn't it?

The (beginning of the) End.

not sure what you're not talking about but, whatever.

What I'm talking about?

Well, we already have the one goofy nutrasweet pseudoscience thread from last night. I see no reason for further embarassment.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Try drinking a Redbull. It gives you wings. O8)

But OK...

1. Rumsfeld worked for Searle, not the FDA. He played no role in deciding if it was safe for human consumption.

2. Aspartame was never considered for "vermin poison." It was a side product produced during the synthesis of an anti-cancer drug.

3. Some safety studies in rats showed it had some health issues. Other studies in rats showed it did not. All studies in humans showed no safety problems. This may be where this "rat poison" nonsense comes from. There are many compounds perfectly safe for human consumption that are unsafe for other organisms.

4. Aspartame was discovered in 1965. It was approved for human consumption in the eighties. If that's "fast track" then I'm a monkey's uncle.

5. Aspartame has nothing to do with viagra, or any other drug used for treating erectile dysfunction.

6. Aspartame has been proven as dangerous for humans as DHMO, and chemtrails.

1. D. Rumsfeld was "an adviser to President Reagan" during the debate over the misnamed FDA fast track debate. As CEO of Searle he had a vested interest in it's passage, because as you point out in 4. they were having a difficult time getting through the process as it then existed.

2. true, thus the title.

3. Don't know your background, but it is hardly surprising that any substance that, once consumed, metabolizes into formaldehyde and formic acid, would raise some red flags for any scientist that isn't in the employ of the manufacturer. Who is it that said "it is very difficult to make someone understand the consequences of an action, when their livelihood depends on their failure to understand"? (paraphrased since I've spent enough time on this)

4. see 1.

5. I take it that reading comprehension is not your strong suit (possibly see #3).

6. Aspartame has not, as you imply, been proved safe. It is already restricted in Europe and according to a peer-reviewed study, published in European Journal of Oncology is linked to lymphoma and leukemia, and has been shown to cause spontaneous changes in personality in humans among other possibilities. In short, the jury is far from out. Like global warming its dangers are only ignored by amerikan corporate shills. Again see #3.

1. Rumsfeld was never in charge of the FDA, and a cursory inspection into the subject could have found that out. Indicating you haven't done any cursory research on this topic, and/or you're simply making things up. As an employee for Searle, he would indeed have had a vested interest in it's approval. However, it's irrelevant since he was not among the scientists who approved of the compound.

2. You presented it as fact, and it's a common internet myth that nutrasweet was developed as a rat or ant poison. And you intended to spread that myth. Shame on you.

3. Any scientist who knows anything about biochemistry, knows that you're point about formaldehyde and formic acid is utter bullshit. Aspartame is a methylated dipeptide, yes, it gets metabolized producing formaldehyde and formic acid. All sorts of things in the human body gets metabolized to produce formaldehyde and formic acid. That's how primary metabolism works. That's the way it's supposed to work. It's natural. Your body is producing formaldehyde and formic acid right now.

4. Saw it. More baloney.

5. I read your post. And comprehended many errors, falsities, and plain old bullshit.

6. Aspartame was proved safe in the early eighties. It has been confirmed safe in many further peer-reviewed studies, and by the millions of people who've been consuming it over the last twenty years, with no ill effect. It is approved and consumed in Europe. The jury is out. And like global warming, there will always be pseudoscientific loons who argue against the overwhelming weight of peer-reviewed scientific research.

Aspartame metabolizes directly into three chemicals, not one of which is formaldehyde or formic acid.

Aspartame converts in the stomach to methanol, aspartic acid, and phenylalanine. Phenylalanine and aspartic acid are two naturally occurring amino acids present in nearly every protein molecule.

Methanol (or wood alcohol) is toxic in large amounts, but is harmless in the small amounts present in aspartame. In fact, tomatoes contain more methanol than a serving of aspartame. About 10 percent by weight of aspartame is released as methanol.

In the body, methanol converts into formaldehyde and formate. Because formate can cause blindness and metabolic acidosis , methanol is toxic when humans consume it in large quantities. In order for the body to accumulate a significant amount of formate, a human must consume 200 to 500 mg of methanol per kg of body weight , an amount that corresponds to drinking 600 to 1700 cans of diet soft drink at once. (See http://tc.engr.wisc.edu/UER/uer98/author2/content.html).

The bru-ha-ha about aspartame began by the saccharine industry's campaign against it. They started what was known as the "Calorie Control Council," a front-group by the manufacturers of saccharine and saccharine-containing products. It was already known at the time that saccharine was carcinogenic in rats and the industry feared that a safe and better-tasting artificial sweetener would ruin the saccharine market.

And so the myth began.

In its gaseous form, it has been known to cause severe burns. And thousands of people die of DHMO inhalation every year.

:hi:

when was that again?

:rofl:

did you hear the one about Hillary killing Vince Foster? that's a good one too!

"1981 - Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr. was appointed the new FDA Commissioner and overuled the Public Board of Inquiry's recommended ban of ASP. He said his approval was part of the Reagan administration's new reform! Throughout the 1980's Searle has pointed out that the best evidence of ASP's safety was the fact that it had been approved in more than 60 countries. But these foreign approvals had been based on these controversial test, and the questionable approval of the FDA. It was approved as a "food additive," and hence, exempt from continued safety monitoring. (Searle is not obligated to monitor any adverse reactions.)

1983 - THE NATIONAL SOFT DRINK ASSOCIATION wrote to the FDA that ASP was breaking down in warm climates. But the Association later accepted ASP. Dr. Hayes office approved the use of ASP in soft drinks just two months before he quit his job as FDA chief. He then obtained a job with a public relations firm who represents NutraSweet."

If you can believe the internets. It does fit what we believe about corporations and Republican bureaucrats.
http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/deadly_deception.htm

in someone who drank about six to eight diet cokes (aspartame based)

The man was living in Marin County and was about to be fitted for a wheelchair.His doctor saw him drinking a diet coke - he said to the family - "How many diet drinks a day does he drink?"
When hearing that it was a substantial number, he told the man, "Don't order this expensive wheechair! You don't have MS, you have been poisoned. Quit drinking anything with Aspartame and give yourself about six months to clear the poison out of your system."

This man was my acquaintance Adam's father. He quit drinking Aspartame and was indeed mostly fully recovered from MS in just under six months!

I'll give him that much.

only later to pharmaceutical industry
http://www.fda.gov/oc/commissioners/hayes.html

and used that position to install Arthur Hayes as head of FDA to get Nutrasweet approved for Searle.
Hayes then rigged the vote by adding a 7th committee member to get a 4-3 decision.
Once Hayes had done Rumsfeld's bidding he went to Burson Marsteller for a $1 million a year no-show job.

That's science you can trust!

debate was wending it's way through congress. If I'd wanted to write an absolutely accurate story, I would have, but this has been done many times before. I just boiled down the process in a fictional format so that it might give somebody a chuckle. Apparently it wasn't written for you. Feh.

What I'd like to know is why you seem to be intent on ignoring the back room collusion that fairly defined that heinous administration, and set this nation on the track to corporate servitude we have today?

and when people twist facts, or flat out make them up, it makes their arguement look a little weak.

http://presidiotex.com/nutrapoison/believers.html

It says that he was chairman of Searle after he left the Ford Administration in 1977.

No, I think you just enjoy pissing on other people's work, and mistakenly thinking yourself superior to others.

"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates

didn't he run the FDA back in the late 70's?

seriously, you wrote an entertaining story about Rumsfeld as the head of the FDA. belongs in the fiction section, since he never worked for the FDA.

A tale of the Nutrasweet, it was a fun little lark that I wrote to give some a chuckle and you are turning it into a colossal waste of my time. You do and believe anything you like, if you are secure in the "knowledge" that Searle, Monsanto, et al, would never do anything that might be harmful to you and others to make some more money, then good for you.

However, I'm done with the three of you. Buh-by.

Mr. Dennit: "Ricky, your little obscene gesture is going to cost you 100 points. Do you know how much that costs us in sponsorship dollars?"

Ricky: "With all due respect, Mr. Dennit, I had no idea you'd gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed."

Mr. Dennit: "What did you just say to me?"

Ricky: "What? I said it 'with all due respect!'"

Mr. Dennit: "Just because you say that doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want to me!"

Ricky: "Yes, it does!"

Mr. Dennit: "No, it doesn't!"

Ricky: "It's in the Geneva Conventions, look it up!"

I can see that you meant well, and the story is entertaining, but that's what it is. It's propaganda. It's political writing, in which factual accuracy is not important, but inspiring a particular point of view in the reader is.

If you want to write about back room collusion and corporate servitude, write about it. Accusing someone of ignoring major issues that you did not successfully display in your writing is a propagandist's way of dealing with hecklers, and smacks of "you're either with us, or against us."

and researched threads get drowned out by Anna Nichole or Terri Schiavo or Brittany Spears. I was just in a whimsical mood this morning and wrote this fiction.

I never claimed it to be accurate, I know Rumsfeld was never head of the FDA, but I do have personal experience with how these scumbags have and continue to operate. In fact, the only reason arbusto is in the trouble he is in today is that he failed to follow the time tested formula in implementing his perverse agenda.

I hear you. It's depressing when the facts won't work, and the only way to get the truth out is through BS. That's how it is in the bizarro-world we're living in these days!

That backroom collusion is so intrenched in big business and big money, we all accept it and deny its presense in the same breath. The top one percent run/ruin our lives, because we are the sheeple.

>>What I'd like to know is why you seem to be intent on ignoring the back room collusion that fairly defined that heinous administration, and set this nation on the track to corporate servitude we have today?

You might have mentioned in a Post Script that some of this was not factually true.

But on the other hand, I have read the awful episodes at the FDA that you are describing, and by exaggerrating a bit, you were able to get a whole bunch of people to read this, whereas if I had written out the entire 1200 words needed to describe the comings and goings of corrupt officialdom, few would have cared, I imagine.

I enjoyed it immensely.

And yes a truthful account would differ from yours. It might include the fact that one of the most respected children's health experts of the day said that NutraSweet, if approved, MUST carry a warning that it was not fit to be consumed by chidlren under the age of five. This doctor was laughed off the podium for his "inane" remarks. The NutraSweet episode was the beginning of the independent scientists being cowed, and having their reputation maligned, while the "industry" experts, many of whom only have degrees in Communication or journalism, would be paid to spout out whatever Nonsense Searle demanded.

whatever motivations people wish to ascribe to you. Seriously I think you should be a creative writer. You pretty much incorporated everything crazy of late..:-)

One: Were you aware that another Nutrasweet thread started around 10:30 this morning? Not to be rude, but I am really tired of all the duplicate threads lately, yours is just one of them.

Two: See my comment here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=256549&mesg_id=259135

If you want to investigate my story, PM me and I will put you in touch with a closer source for more documentation.

just decided to go off a bit. The same jerks that disrupted that thread soon found their way over here. You'd think they had stock in Monsanto or were related to 'the obnoxious bureaucrat' by the way they're going after this topic. Ironically, I can't find the initial reply that started me on this.

I have no doubt at all about your experience as I have seen similar far too many times before.

Here's hoping that they eat and drink lots of aspartame and HFCS, since they seem to have a problem with people being told about this too.

Peace

it's NOT a duplicate. it's the nature of DISCUSSION -- which is ostensibly what we're here to do.

have a diet coke and a smile.

has anyone heard of dr. adrian gross? he was an fda inspector
who discovered serious irregularities in searle's filing for
a drug called flagyl. they were covering up rat deaths, cutting
tumors out of rats and replacing them, all kinds of fun stuff
like that.

they were testing aspartame at the same time

dr. gross made similar allegations about aspartame later on

i've never used it, and will not. this is not easy, as they
are putting it in everything - including SUGARED chewing gum.
guess it's cheaper than sugar. nasty stuff

Apparently the concept of satire is beyond some people's ability to comprehend. OTOH, it did keep the thread kicked and therefore many more people read it than might have.

that has to be it - these folks must have stock at merck
and monsanto!

that's the only reason they'd be so determined to make
sure everyone is poisoned along with them...

they get really hostile when you try to express another
opinion. i was working at a pharma company before
nutrasweet was "approved" and was aware of searle's
problems with fda -- i have never used it and am glad of
it.

I do not use it, I do not let my kids use it and I really think if my mother gave up diet soda, then some of her more irritating health problems would disappear. My mother is in her early 60's, has drank the stuff for over 25 years. Hasn't lost a single pound despite the constant chronic diarrhea. Now, I can't say with any certainty that this sweetener is responsible for her problems, as she wont give it up for a month to see if there is any change. I, on the other hand, would tire pretty quickly of shitting my drawers constantly and having to have someone clean up after me. Not to mention the embarrassment of this happening in public.

Someone tell me again, how exactly does drinking a diet soda cancel out the calories from the half a side of beef you ate along with it?

she has digestive problems, too. she only drinks one
or two a day, but that's too much for me. she won't
listen, in spite of my periodic attempts to nag her
about it. i'm a rather unsuccessful nag, i guess.

my sister-in-law lets all her kids drink it, even
the baby. heck, when my son was born, they had
aspartame in pedialyte!

my son was sick and we gave him some, he wouldn't drink it. When we tasted it, to me it was like drinking soap so we tossed the crap out. My son is now 13 and my pediatrician has recently spoken to him about high fructose corn syrup and limiting his soda intake entirely. Around here, my favorite drink is Yerba Mate tea. I sweeten it with honey. I heard or read an article recently that processed foods are a contributing factor in chronic illnesses like diabetes and that if we want to live healthier lives we should not eat anything that our great-grand parents would recognize as food.

he just won't like it, and doesn't need a reason! my favorite drink
is regular iced tea, with lemon and honey. i make it myself, and it
is more refreshing than what passes for iced tea in cans, bottles or
powders...those just make you thirstier.

aspartame has a nasty taste. i can tell in an instant that it's in
food. i think sucralose tastes nasty, too.

i let my son have a whole foods soda, once in awhile. they use cane
sugar, and it really does taste better. i just wish i could find
some bubble gum without sugar or aspartame in it. trident used to make a
good bubble gum without aspartame or sugar, but (like everything else i
like - it's the kiss of death when i like something) it has been taken
off the market! they're putting aspartame in regular gum, so many people
are ingesting it now, and don't even know it!

I've found the equivalent of just about any product there is in either organic or natural ingredients. Sometimes, their prices are even lower than brand names. A bar of their soap is expensive but not when you consider that it will last approximately 3 months (that's just me using it daily). I would also google natural or organic chewing gum and see what comes up. Or you could just get your child in braces and gum would become a thing of the past.

they don't have them in florida -- what a wasteland!

they had the best dried fruits and nuts, vitamins,
soy milk, coffee, chips, sigh. they even had my
favorite soap, peppermint dr. bronners, sometimes.

i found some gum called peelu -- but it's peppermint,
and my son likes fake fruit flavor better (ugh)

can you tell i miss trader joe's?

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

love the bleating, btw! and the resultant bleating posted by the nanny goats.

there's another interesting yarn about Rumsfeld and the use of swine flu (manufactured in Haiti) as bioweapon used in Cuba. Rumsfeld is also BIG into Tamiflu, albeit later in his career.

this stuff below is a wild ride thru the following attractions: Swine Flu, Haiti, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, AIDS, biowarfare, the CIA, and naturally -- cover-ups filtering back to George HW Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld in the post-Nixon (Ford) administration.

can't say how much of this is "true," but it's definitely interesting and resonates with the Nutrasweet bit.


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first the bit about the viruses. beneath that i've pasted the bit about Rumsfeld:







Swine Flu was dropped on Cuba as part of CIA operation in 1971 when George HW Bush was director.




This is an ARCHIVED Wikipedia page on Donald Rumsfeld. The last time i looked, the current Wiki has this swine flu information edited out:


http://web.archive.org/web/20060513050311/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld




now here's the bit about Tamiflu from the same Wiki, under the heading "Controversies":





okay -- further down the Wiki there's this information on Rumsfeld's "private" career which might not be edited out of the current wiki:

And the gullible just eat it up, much like the coincidence of Cheney's multiple trips through the revolving door. Thanks for the reply.

not a spoiler -- but, in the future water is replaced with a sports drink. hilarity ensues.

it's kinda expensive, but it's so strong you only have to use a speck!

great promise, I didn't find it funny at all. It just seemed that Mike Judge has a good idea and then just pounded out a script off the top of his head. It could have been so funny and biting, but he just left the possibilities to die going for the easy gag. My local Blockbuster has a whole wall for it and there are few copies available, so it appears that not many share my disdain for it, therefore I must be too old to get it.

office space was much better.

I normally like what Mike Judge does and find his work quite funny. I found the character of Milton Waddams (brilliantly played by Stephan Root) so poignant. Ms. Greyhound tells me that Swingline actually produced a red stapler (they never had before) in response to the demand his character generated.

Looks like Americans will now be needing a clearing house type of blog to share information about the effects of drugs that the pharmaceutical will no longer be happy to see affecting their bottom line.


seems to me I remember seeing something about an ingredient in skin products, deoderants, anti-persperants, handcreams, shampoos that was also found to have migrated into breast cancers. Why are we not hearing more about that?

but he "called in markers" to get the toxin approved.

"Donald Rumsfeld was on President Reagan's transition team and the day after he took office he appointed an FDA Commissioner who would approve aspartame. The FDA set up a Board of Inquiry of the best scientists they had to offer, who said aspartame is not safe and causes brain tumors, and the petition for approval is hereby revoked. The new FDA Commissioner, Arthur Hull Hayes, over-ruled that Board of Inquiry and then went to work for the PR Agency of the manufacturer, Burson-Marsteller, at a rumored $1000.00 a day, and has refused to talk to the press ever since. Read the whole story of the history of aspartame at http://www.wnho.net/history_of_aspartame.htm This will tell you everything you need to know. Rumsfeld calling in his markers is even documented in the congressional record!

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/05/07/aspartame_gate_when_donald_rumsfeld_was_ceo_of_searle.htm

greyhound, your satire is clever. Who cares if the same shrill and strident debunkers pop up out of the woodwork with their little set pieces. They aren't even worth engaging.

Getting the whole real story, the arm twisting, the appointment of a shill who still had to create a new seat to get the approval through, the bogus studies, the miraculous alive dead back to life and once again dead test mice, etc., into the fairy tale format would have been impossible and there is so much out there already.

I read a pre-internet report stating that 90%+ of the independent (not corporate not political) studies showed it to be far from harmless. But that doesn't matter because corporations are our friends as well as responsible keepers of the truth.:eyes:

Thank you for you compliment, it is appreciated.

Hubby is diabetic and used to consume a lot of diet soda in addition to all the other aspartame-containing products consumed by uninformed duabetics. I started researching aspartame long ago and discovered a startling match between some strange symptoms my husband was experiencing and the aspartame side effect listings on these sites. There were several, but the one that stood out most was the dizziness/loss of equilibrium. My husband would go through this for a week at a time periodically - something his doctor and additional medical testing could not explain.

Well hubby likes his diet soda and scoffed at my discovery...until I convinced him that Rummy pushed it through the FDA while he was with Searle. Finally convinced, hubby has backed off of his consumption of this poison and guess what? The strange unexplained symptoms went away as well. Had it not been for hubby sharing my views of BushCo and Rummy, I never would have convinced him to stop consuming the stuff.

Rummy is a lying bastard who doesn't care who he kills. We all know that. It doesn't take any stretch of the imagination to realize this product is as poisonous as anything else that sub-human creature has touched.

death, disease, and discomfort, in anything they do or touch. Good thing I'm not superstitious or I'd have to say they should be burned as demons of something.

I'm glad he is doing better, it is always good to hear good news.

and I'm smart enough to know that isn't the same as knowing the good, hard facts. It seemed to cause me to have rapid mood depression. Once I made the connection, I ditched the nutrasweet and I won't touch it to this day (8 years or so). Do I know that's what caused the mood shifts? Nope. Do I care? Considering that they don't happen anymore, at least not with the extreme rapidity that they did after a diet coke, nope I don't care. I don't touch nutrasweet. Period.

I've never bothered to do the research. I just don't do the nutrasweet.

akin to scientific evidence (For instance, Jenner, the guy credited with the discovery of the smallpox vaccine, did so after observing only a small number of milkmaids who did not get smallpox after they contracted cowpox)

But nowadays - "the scientifi community" scoffs at personal observation - saying it is only "anecdotal"

This bought out group of namby pambies apparently has never heard of inductive reasoning.

here's a link to my cited reply in the "serious" aspartame regarding the bogus claim, that a couple of fools have been spreading, that aspartame is "proved safe".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=256549&mesg_id=262692

anyone who would trust Monsanto/Searle or rumdumb has a hole in their head.

These guys make money off of war and death and poisoning people. Is it the parent's fault if the child fails to develop a social conscience at any point in their lives?

And what is it? What motivates lower life forms than even these bastages, to come here anonymously defend them and their murderous ways? I don't get that. You start off by saying that you are posting a rant you made. Then they try to take you to task for ranting??! :wtf:

Riiight. Ok. We seem to have a cadre of Mr. Helpy Helpertons here who get their jollies by fact-checking satirical rants.

:shrug:

:wow:

:puke:

SR