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undercutter2006 Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:29 PM
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apparently huckabee is 'christian left'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1948688/posts

pretty interesting actually

he has some horrible views on abortion, homosexuals

but on the other hand he supports social programs for the poor people in the name of christianity, which kind of cuts off the free market conservatives at the knees, so a lot of conservatives are extremely threatened by this guy because he says - well, if we just let the free market work itself out, and as a result a lot of people suffer - that's immoral and we should do something about it. so as regressive as he is on social issues, there is something good that will come out of his candidantcy because it makes christians realize that hey - you can't just wash your hands of all of economic injustice in the world if you wanna be a true christian

discuss....
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:31 PM
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1. Mmm. To me Christian left isn't just the political spectrum but also the theological spectrum
so to me he's still a conservative evangelical Repub with just a few socially-oriented policies.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:01 PM
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12. Yup. Exactly.
Slightly more human, but nowhere near left.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:31 PM
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2. "Democrat party"
He's all bullshit. He'd be right in front of fucking working people over. He never worked a day in his life.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:39 PM
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3. He may be left of Hitler but that's about it.....he is dangerous
People say they think he is sincere and honest....we have heard that before...."I would like to drink a beer with *", the Rethuglican supporters of Fuckabee want a "Handsmaids Tale America"!

They say Fuckabee supports social programs for the poor people - I ask at what cost. Do the poor people have to convert to Fuckabee's religion? If the poor people are gay to they have to denounce their gayness? At what cost?

We see how well the * doctrine of pooring our Tax dollars into Necon churches has panned out....

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undercutter2006 Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:46 PM
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8. that's not really what i am talking about
i have no doubt in my mind that this huckabee character is just another pawn of big business and he is just talking a good game because he saw an opportunity to explore

but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, does it? even if he is not sincere, most of his followers are, and his philosophy of providing better opportunities for disadvantaged instead of relying on free market as a matter of religious consciouslness, that is a big blow to the conventional conservative wisdom, and i love it
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undercutter2006 Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:40 PM
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4. here is the best response from that freeper thread that i posted
'The Christian Left means that do-gooding, micro-managing Methodists like Hillary and Baptists like Huck with their Utopian visions of how life in America should be are more dangerous than number-crunching atheists named “Scrooge”. It’s enough to make one pray for separation of church and state!'

Now that there is actually a guy who supports some social programs in the name of christianity, now they want a separation of church and state, oh justice is so sweet
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:50 PM
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9. That's an interesting reply by a freeper....
I can agree with you that the Neocons are shitting a brick because Huck is going against everything they have been shoving down our throats the last 12 years.

I think the way to end the shotgun marriage of church and state by the Neocons is time to start taxing churches on a sliding scale of how much revenue they bring in. I think that the church goers would be stunned at how much money is coming in and going into their preachers pockets.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:41 PM
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5. When you're a christian fascist that hangs out at freeperville, i'm sure he seems like a lefty.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:43 PM
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6. What Kind of Social Programs? The "Faith-Based" Must-Hosannah-for-Food Kind?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:43 PM
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7. He's hardly the first Republican to not carry all the water in the conservative agenda
not that many people fit a political label perfectly.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 09:55 PM
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10. I cannot believe this post. Huckabee does not believe in evolution.
Just what we need, another freak in the WH. Also he used his influence to stop an investigation when his son hung a perfectly innocent dog...that is sick for son and dad. In addition, he let a rapist out against the recommendations of the people in the know, probably because one of the women raped was a distant cousin of Bill Clinton. The released rapist then not only raped, but also murdered his next victim.
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undercutter2006 Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:00 PM
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11. hey
relax

i don't think huckabee should be in the white house. i am just commenting on how awesome it is that his christian based economic policies are starting to tear the republican party apart
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:03 PM
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13. ....
:thumbsup: And can we keep religion out of politics? Some of us just plain fed up with it!
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:04 PM
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14. Bush ran on a "compassionate conservative" platform...
You see how that turned out.
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undercutter2006 Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:05 PM
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15. conservatives are scrambling, it's a thing of beauty
http://www.newswithviews.com/Duke/selwyn79.htm

THE CHURCH OF HUCK: GROWING GOV’T. IN THE NAME OF RELIGION

by Selwyn Duke
December 25, 2007
NewsWithViews.com

There is a candidate in the presidential race who has a serious religion problem. No, it’s not Mormon Mitt or recently-religious Rudy. It is Mike Huckabee.

Just for the record, I share Huck’s faith in Jesus Christ. Not only have I no problem with religion in public life, I also understand that one can’t really separate a person’s world view from his politics. The political is merely a reflection of the spiritual; our politics doesn’t emerge in a vacuum.

So what is my problem with Huck? Do I accuse him of false religiosity?

No, what scares me is that his beliefs are all too real.

To that enormous secular conservative voting block out there, I will say, be not afraid. It’s not that Huck would impose religion through government. No, his actions would truly offend you.

He would impose statism in the name of religion through government.

While Huck will say what you want to hear to win office, he will not hear what you want to say once there. He will make tone-deaf Bush seem like a maestro. How do I know this?

He believes.

Belief can be a great thing, of course. Our Founding Fathers’ unprecedented respect for liberty was born of their Christian belief that rights were bestowed by the divine king and not worldly ones. Mother Teresa’s Christian beliefs inspired her to toil tirelessly to aid the destitute and dying in India. But whereas the founders kept charity out of government and Teresa kept government out of charity, Huck conflates the two in a disastrous mix of bad theology and bad political science. Perverting Christianity’s message and violating 2000 years of its tradition, he believes it is his Christian mandate to do good works through government.

With, of course, your money.

Huck invokes faith to justify ambitions ranging from the insidious to the idiotic. For the former, look no further than immigration, where Huck espoused the Christian principle, “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you,” while advocating an apparent open-door policy. This, despite the fact that if any good Christian were to find himself in a country illegally, he would expect its citizens to demand he return home.

What was the motivation for these outrages? While some critics assert that he created a “magnet” for illegals at the behest of business interests, for certain is that Huck invoked his Christian faith while attacking supporters of the proof-of-citizenship bill. He labeled the measure irresponsible, un-American, anti-life and un-Christian. This prompted one of the assailed legislators, Jim Holt, to say that “Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking.”

The problem, according to many, is that Huck doesn’t agree. For instance, Daniel Larison at the American Conservative wrote,

“. . . Huckabee regards it as his Christian duty to help subvert and liberalize U.S. immigration laws. Together , they embrace the notion that fidelity to the Gospel requires privileging the interests of non-citizens over those of fellow citizens.”

(Note: This is why immigration crusader Tom Tancredo just exited the presidential race and endorsed Romney; he knows Mexicali Mike must be stopped.)

Huck explicitly cited the same “Christian duty” when explaining a lenient attitude toward felons that would allow for twice as many pardons under his Arkansas administration as those of his last three predecessors combined. Among those pardoned was the notorious Wayne Dumond, a thug serving 25 years for raping a teenage high school cheerleader. But Dumond had no feeling of Christian duty. He then raped and murdered a woman named Carol Sue Shields.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:07 PM
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16. ...and a very strange record on paroling/pardoning violent rapists plus a a regressive tax
proponent which means no money for those social programs.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:08 PM
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17. ...and a very strange record on paroling/pardoning violent rapists plus a a regressive tax
proponent which means no money for those social programs.
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undercutter2006 Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:17 PM
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18. true true
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 10:18 PM by undercutter2006
i am not debating that

ok, this is the last time i am going to say this

i don't think he would go through on any of his promises if he gets elected (slight chance as it is)

what's important though is that he is cultivating a base of believers who truly think that we should have an equal-opportunity society because it is a christian thing to do, so when he is gone that base is still going to be there, and can be picked up by a truly compassionate christian democrat
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:29 PM
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20. Agreed
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:46 PM
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19. Well, he is influential, in his own way.
His popularity should make the rest of the GOP take pause.
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