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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:52 PM
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John Edwards facial expression on the split screen during Hillary's "Change" Outburst is priceless
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 10:54 PM by cryingshame
I missed it real time.

Bwahahahah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07u6uffKvpA
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:52 PM
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1. And what was it?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:04 PM
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9. The look you give someone after you hand them the rope
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:53 PM
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2. Link?
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:54 PM
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3. Link here....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07u6uffKvpA
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:54 PM
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4. revolting, imho
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:56 PM
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5. Was Hillary's 'change' outburst equivalent to Dean's 'national tour'..........
hooray?? Time will tell.......
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:03 PM
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8. It makes one wonder how she will handle opposition -- domestic or foreign
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:06 PM
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12. I can almost see the plates flying in the Oval Office............
and shattering against the walls. Duck!!!!.......
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:35 PM
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25. Completely sexist
nice job.....
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:41 PM
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28. Thanks.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:42 PM by Double T
:evilgrin: :toast:
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:57 PM
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6. K and R
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:01 PM
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7. Hillary must have done really well. Way too many pissed off Hillary haters on all the blogs.
Especially her something like: You want to see real change? Elect a woman as President. Now that's real change.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:05 PM
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10. That, or we are watching the Dean moment of 2008
Your call.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:57 AM
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57. Explain Dean moment of 2008 - I'm sure many DU-ers want to know YOUR take
on that "moment"
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:44 PM
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29. Like somebody said elsewhere.......
....when a man does something like Hillary did it's because he is "strong".

When a woman does it, she is a screeching bitch having a Dean moment.

What a pile crap!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:57 AM
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58. Some of us are looking for more change than gender.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:06 PM
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11. What's wrong with his facial expression?
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:09 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
He looks pretty impassive to me.

If those are notable facial expressions...

I wish there were a YouTube of the Congressional election debate in Southwest Washington in 1994. Republicanite Linda Smith was debating incumbent Dem Jolene Unsoeld. While Unsoeld was speaking, Smith literally made "bla-bla-bla" faces. I'm surprised it didn't cost her the election, but she won.

Now THAT would have been a notable YouTube scene, if indicative of Smith's general idiocy.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:08 PM
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15. Right. He looked unimpressed. nt
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:12 PM
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16. Well, I honestly can't say that I've ever seen an opponent
be wildly enthusiastic about someone else's response in a debate.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:19 PM
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18. It was really subtle, he is VERY good. Edwards bothers me, but I bow to a master!
I'd love to get a still of that and put a word-bubble over his head.

:)

That's all.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:07 PM
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13. Her hand is moreso, as though she is trying to hold JE back. Which she is.
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 11:07 PM by WinkyDink
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:28 PM
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21. I can't believe she didn't realize how that hand gesture
makes her look so wild at that moment. She's pretty sharp, but that was an outburst she will regret.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:07 PM
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14. it was good the second time around too
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:45 PM
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31. madokie!
This is the first avatar change I've seen from you! Congrats on your choice!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:33 AM
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50. thanks and thanks for noticing
I really do think he'll make us proud being our President but I must say he has an uphill battle to get his message out considering he is railing against the very ones who control that
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:42 AM
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64. I was just flipping through
all the cable crap this morning and guess what - no mention of Edwards at the debate. My husband suggested writing all the networks and asking them since they are not going to mention his name, they might as well put one of those black bars over his face. It's disgusting what they are doing. He has the highest margins against all the repukes, I hope Dems don't flub this one up.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:16 PM
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17. "Talk to the hand"
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:28 PM
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22. LOL !!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:45 PM
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30. Exactly.
:rofl:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:22 PM
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19. "35 years of change"? That's not the kind of change we have in mind. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:50 PM
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32. Yup. In that single phrase, she demonstrates NO COMPREHENSION of the meaning ...
... of the word "change" as it's understood by the Democratic base. "Thirty-five years" is the very essence of STATUS QUO.

IMHO, those were the most DAMNING words out of her mouth in all of the debates so far. In being OBSESSIVELY "on-message" she betrayed complete insensitivity to the major phase changes needed. She missed it. Totally.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:25 PM
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20. "we don't need to be raising the false hopes of our country..."
"...about what can be delivered." That's not something the Democratic nominee should be saying in 2008. I don't want my expectations managed, I want my country back. I missed the debates tonight but all I had to see was that clip -- that quote -- to know that I don't like what she is selling.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:59 PM
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39. Amen. That was a DAMNING moment, imho. She's fucking clueless.
That was the rant of an Organization Man ... a person totally a creature of the system.
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undercutter2006 Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:32 PM
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23. it wasn't an outburst
in my opinion she was passionate but at the same time she did no lose her coposure and did tell him off rather calmly

and like i said, i don't like hillary at all, i just can't get my head around the concept that somebody would consider that exchange a 'scream' or an 'outburst', what fucking planet are you people from, how do you interact with fellow humans if you think that was a 'crazy outburst', what the hell?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:35 PM
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24. Yes, at about 40 seconds her eyes bulge out a bit and she sounds REALLY frustrated-
bad, bad acting. She wanted to come across as passionate.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:38 PM
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26. well, you see...
she's a woman so therefore she must remain calm and smile sweetly at all times. Otherwise she is hysterical or going through PMS or menopause or she's a shrill bitch or... :eyes:
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:39 PM
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27. Amen
and I don't support her either - but these posts are ridiculously SEXIST
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:53 PM
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33. I thought he looked for a second "bemused", when she responded the way she did
Maybe some will call her passionate, but if one of the men had expressed an outburst like that, I know there are people on here that would be all over it.
It was not so over the top IMO, but the media is going to pick up on it.

*bemused*..."to cause or have feelings of wry or tolerant amusement"

in other words, he knew he got her goat....geez, where in the hell did that saying come from?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:54 PM
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34. It's patronizing and disgusting - like your attacks on Hillary for this one
There are a lot of reasons not to vote for her - but she was perfectly fine in the debate and the white man looking victimized and annoyed pushed a button inside me.
Last time a man looked at me like that - I divorced him.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:01 AM
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40. "Last time a man looked at me like that - I divorced him."
Well ... if ever there were valid grounds for a divorce .... :rofl: :rofl:


(Lucky fellow!)

:rofl:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:04 AM
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41. Believe me, you don't want to be in his shoes right now
It's all I am going to say. And the expression wasn't "the grounds" - just the last drop. But your comment convinces me that this Hillary hounding IS sexist after all.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:35 AM
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46. Judging from that, I doubt you needed any convincing.
:shrug:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:53 AM
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47. I actually argued earlier - that maybe it's just loyalty to other campaigns
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 01:11 AM by robbedvoter
as in here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3964783&mesg_id=3964998
That was before your "bemusement" at my post.
But maybe I didn't. After all, you're a man, so you do know best....:shrug:
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:43 AM
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52. Now THAT was a sexist statement.
After all, you're a man, so you do know best


You're the one being sexist here.

When I read your post I had the exact same thoughts that TahitiNut expressed. And it had nothing to do with you being a woman, it was because you sounded like a petulant child. Very unlike any woman I know over the age of 16. So you can drop the "sexist" routine, it doesn't apply and it doesn't fly.

And BTW, the expression is "the last straw" as in the straw that broke the camel's back: not "the last drop". That was an old Maxwell House Coffee commercial, "good to the last drop".
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:53 AM
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54. Patronizing acknowledged, yes sir!
My "you know better" "comment" was actually playing into to his patronizing ("lucky guy") just as "yes sir" is to yours. Sorry for forgetting to use :sarcasm:
Slowly now: I don't think TahitiNut knows better, nor than you deserve to be called "sir"
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:12 PM
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66. You really ARE confused, as well as paranoid. Let me explain.
I was addressing your "sarcasm". It was sexist TOWARDS MEN. Obviously, it didn't even occur to you that sexism can work both ways. That's the way it is with a paranoid child - everyone is "attacking them" but if they do the same thing to others it's not an attack.

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:55 AM
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48. It bugged me too
And I can't even put a finger on why. He was clearly baiting her, and then hoping for a big reaction.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:55 PM
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35. hilary rules
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:56 PM
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36. I saw nothing remarkable about Edwards's facial expressions. nt
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:05 AM
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42. You must be an Edwards hater then. Everything about him is remarkable!
So DU decreed.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:57 PM
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37. He looked tired
to me. :shrug:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:57 PM
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38. "We don't need to be raising the FALSE HOPES of our country about what can be delivered..."
We don't? :eyes:

"FALSE" hopes? :eyes: (What ever happened to the "man from Hope"???)

Hillary's rant was one of naked cluelessness.
I don't think she has a fucking clue how serious the conditions are.
Not. One. Fucking. Clue.

Sheezus! :eyes:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:29 AM
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45. Lowering expectations already
that's not a good sign.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:06 AM
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43. Ugh.
This actually made me like Edwards less.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:11 AM
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44. Is she running for president or head cashier?
Or should I assume she was talking about a different kind of change?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:55 AM
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55. Are you giving that royalty to Dave Barry? It wasn't THAT of a good joke...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:00 AM
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49. She invoked W's language of "Working hard"
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:34 AM
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51. Certainly not her best moment.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:44 AM
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53. That was an outburst?
I don't see what was so bad about that. She was telling it like it is.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:56 AM
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56. But she was talking to 2 men, and not being respectful enough to them....
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:59 AM
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59. ??????? What outburst and what facial expression??????
Ooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaay.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:10 AM
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61. That's what I thought.
This is much ado about nothing.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:03 AM
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60. I'm an Edwards supporter and I don't get it.
He's enough on his own. Do we really need to grasp at straws here? :shrug:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:16 AM
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62. He looked about as disinterested in Hillary's line as any reasonable person would be. So what?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:17 AM
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63. I thought Edwards was trying to stop himself from bursting out with laughter. I caught his demeanor
during that exchange (I didn't see it as an outburst though) and thought it was funny. I loved his expression.:)
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:00 PM
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65. Okay, I have to ask:
THAT was considered an OUTBURST?????

Has our politics become so sterilized that when someone forcefully insists on making their point and then makes it (rather well, I thought), it is considered an outburst and a turning point?

I mean, c'mon. If she had yelled, okay. If she had turned red in the face or become apoplectic, sure. If she had pounded the table, cussed, whatever -- there are any number of things that I would have to agree are over the top. I just did not see any of them in that exchange.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:28 PM
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67. well slipping backward is change, so I can't argue that she hasn't been part
of change.

Since she has pursued health care issues, the health care situation has gone from bad to worse... that's change.

Since she has been dealing with pharmaceutical corporations, drug costs are higher and their safety standards are lower.... that's change

Since she has been dealing with the oil industry, oil costs are higher, the environment is more volatile, and the costs to the consumer for basic necessities has risen.... that's change

nope, i can't argue that she has been part of making change, but it's not the change that I am looking for.

but it is the change that her sponsors (ooops, donors) like.
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