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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:51 PM
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'Democrats Need to Take a Stand' by Helen Thomas
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:07 PM by Breeze54
Democrats Need to Take a Stand

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/04/6175/

Published on Friday, January 4, 2008 by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer

by Helen Thomas

After seven years of the Bush administration, who in the U.S. does not want to see a dramatic change in the nation’s leadership?

For that reason the Republican candidates have an uphill battle, since most of them have not distanced themselves sufficiently from the failed stewardship of President Bush.

On the Democratic side, Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois say they are the true advocates of change. But they are short on specifics.

Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina is more definitive on one issue at least, saying he would bring U.S. combat troops home from Iraq within 10 months.

He also is on the attack against poverty, corporate greed, war profiteering and free trade pacts that cost U.S. jobs.

Clinton emphasizes her “experience” in the White House as first lady, saying this makes her the best candidate to bring about change.

But in 2002 as war clouds gathered, Clinton aligned herself with the administration on a critical vote giving Bush the green light in Iraq.

And four months ago she voted for the resolution that could have paved the way for an attack on Iran.

The resolution — sponsored by Sens. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. — designates the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization.

The U.S. National Intelligence Estimate recently defused the threat of war by reporting that Iran in 2003 dropped plans to build a nuclear arsenal.

Of the Democrats’ three top presidential seekers, Clinton appears to be the least inclined toward dramatic change on foreign policy.

But she may be able to trump Obama, whose campaign is based on “hope” and “optimism” — ephemeral terms at a time when the voters may be looking for solid answers to America’s pressing problems.

That’s what the 2008 election is all about: answers.

All the candidates should be pinned down on how they feel about Bush’s concept of pre-emptive war; wiretapping without a warrant; waterboarding and other forms of torture; and the policy of “rendition” — sending prisoners to jails abroad where they are subject to abusive interrogation while being held in limbo.

The presidential hopefuls also should be quizzed on the lack of real oversight of CIA activities and immunity for the telecom companies that have cooperated with the administration’s wiretapping schemes.

Their views are needed on privatizing the war with thousands of gun-slinging mercenaries employed by Blackwater and other private security firms. Assigned to protect U.S. diplomats, they’re paid handsomely — some as much as $1,500 a day and more.

The candidates also should offer specifics on how they will provide medical care for the 47 million Americans without health insurance.

A single-payer system — much like what we have with Social Security — is the most comprehensive solution, but the candidates are avoiding it in favor of tweaks to the haphazard, luck-of-the-draw coverage we have now.

Bush is trying to go green — belatedly — but the environment and the future of the planet are issues that have been neglected far too long.

There is also the economy, and the inroads that globalization and free trade have made on U.S. production capacity and the livelihoods of U.S. workers. Manufacturing has fled the country and globalization has proved to be a race to the economic bottom rather than a boon for U.S. jobs.

And how about the unscrupulous mortgage lending practices that yielded rampant housing foreclosures?

At this point, questions are in greater supply than answers: Which of the candidates buys Bush’s biggest tax cuts for the richest Americans? What about how federal agencies have been politicized while the traditional, apolitical civil service has been gutted?

The candidates won’t even touch the highly controversial issues of capital punishment and gun control. And you don’t hear much about abortion rights and gay marriage.

Those wedge issues have given a lift to conservatives in the past. But now, they are nowhere near the top of the agenda.

Once we get the answers on issues that do matter from our would-be presidents, then we can all honestly wish for peace on Earth in 2008.


I :loveya: Helen Thomas!!!

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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:52 PM
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1. The DLC fuckwads won't let them

All this triangulation and "third way" bullshit is making me sick.


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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:58 PM
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4. It's just making me sigh... a lot...
Same BS, different day. :puke:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:55 PM
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2. Golly, Helen, what do you want? A debate? On issues!!?
Perish the thought!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:17 PM
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14. Helen Thomas isn't impressed with Hillary. (The sexist pig!)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:21 PM
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15. LOL!
:P
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:33 PM
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22. Not with Hillary's cleavage anyway.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:55 PM
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3. Helen really gets it. But I certainly don't expect any Beltway Dems to champion her, or give honest
answers to her excellent questions.

k&r
sw
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:59 PM
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7. And who is even asking those questions??
:grr:

Any "debate' was white washed by ABC and the shutting out of the other candidates!!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:58 PM
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5. Take a number at the deli-counter Helen, alot of us are still waiting n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:34 PM
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23. When they call your number, don't forget that there's a big sale on boloney.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:39 PM
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26. I don't eat baloney
:hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:05 PM
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31. Very healthy choice on your part.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 04:05 PM by Kurovski
Just because it's cheap and plentiful is no reason to buy it.

:hi:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:11 PM
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33. I stopped eating pork because it causes inflammation in the body
and I feel alot better since I gave it up. :hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:09 PM
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32. I stopped eating it years ago!
:P

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:59 PM
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6. The defect in the Edwards stuff is that it sound great, except it'll never happen.
Even he knows that. Combat troops aren't going to leave Iraq in 10 months & he isn't going to do anything about corporate greed either. What's he going to do, sign a presidential decree outlawing special interest influence?

Helen Thomas & other depression era folks like Studs Terkel are always looking to write up a david & goliath story.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:00 PM
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9. I think Edwards would do something about corporate greed.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:01 PM by Breeze54
I'm convinced he would.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:03 PM
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11. I think he would try to do something about corporate greed.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:42 PM
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28. TRYING is more than the rest are doing (n/t)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:11 PM
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34. If Edwards only manages to kick the lobbyists out of the White House
as he has promised, he would be miles ahead of a Hillary/Obama administration.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:13 PM
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35. He won't be inviting them in to begin with!!
:woohoo: :woohoo:
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Blackdog4241 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:59 PM
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8. Dennis talks about all these things in detail...
but it's much more fun to make fun of him.
See you in four years when we're all bitching about the same things we are now.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:01 PM
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10. No kidding, Blackdog4241, and it's infuriating!!
:grr:

Welcome to DU, Blackdog4241 ! :hi:
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Blackdog4241 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:31 PM
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19. Thanks for the welcome Breeze54...
Not only does Dennis have detailed plans,he has legislation pending.
What other candidate can say that?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:23 PM
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16. Exactly. Ignoring Kucinich let's them ignore the (damned, liberal) FACTS.
... and the atrophied souls who wallow in the bile of their own cynicism laugh like hyenas about to be slaughtered by lions.

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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:07 PM
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12. Just an FYI......JRE has an 80 page book that lists his goals
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:08 PM by sojourner
and explains how he plans to accomplish those goals. Not precise in its "detail", obviously open to some 'tweaking', but at this stage of the game how could one be more precise without also forfeiting flexibility that is required in developing policy in a democracy?

It's available for download at his website: www.johnedwards.com

Do the others have anything similar?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:09 PM
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13. Thanks... I don't want to
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:10 PM by Breeze54
download an 80 page book though! :P

HRC and BO seem to be missing any details AFAIK, at least in the debates.
They both seem to be playing it 'safe' in the "debates" and using generalities.

Kucinich has very detailed plans on his website.
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:48 PM
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29. u cn read it online 2!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:50 PM
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30. OK! Cool! Thanks!
I have dial up, so I get really bogged down when opening PDF files sometimes, especially huge one's. Like 80 page one's! :P

:hi:
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:21 PM
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44. I have the perfect program for you
It's called Foxit Reader, and it reads PDF files much, much, much faster than Adobe. I couldn't believe it when I downloaded it and installed it. Here is a link to the free version, which is all I use. http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

zalinda
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:24 PM
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45. Will it work with Firefox or is it from Firefox?
:shrug:

If so, cool!! :bounce:

Thanks! :hi:
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:42 PM
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46. As far as I know it is a stand alone program
You just associate PDF's with the program and that's it. But I did find it through Firefox, but I'm not sure about who "owns" it or if it is open source. And, it works on my laptop without an Internet connection, and I don't think I have Firefox on it. Oh, and my laptop is running 98. It is so fast, you will never use Adobe again.

zalinda
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:49 PM
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47. Very cool! ~~ Thanks, zalinda
:D

:hi:
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:26 PM
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17. She is exactly right and she is asking the questions that
I want answered. I am a Kucinich supporter and I have heard nothing about any of these issues from any of the other candidates. None of them are talking about the things that really matter or telling us what they will DO to change things. None of them are discussing torture or rendition or wiretapping or that fucking immunity thing or if they will get rid of Blackwater and all the other mercenaries, none of them are really saying much of anything. This is what I've been wondering about for months already, so many people here have decided to support these candidates who all sound the same and say nothing about the important issues. I don't understand how anyone can pick a candidate from a group of people who don't talk about the real issues.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:37 PM
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25. Well said and Welcome to DU, kas125 !!
You're not alone...

I've been groaning at what ISN'T being said!!

It's all fucking sound bites!!

It's all 'buzz' words and the masses are falling for it!! :grr:
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:26 PM
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18. Helen, don't take any rides in small planes, okay?
No tin hat needed. You don't have to be a conspiracy nut to realize the world needs all the courageous, articulate people it can get. Helen is a National Treasure. She'd hate being wrapped in cotton wool, but I don't want to see her taking unnecessary chances.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:33 PM
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21. You got that right. She's awesome.
I'm proud to be an alumnus of the same University. :party:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:32 PM
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20. K&R. (nt)
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:36 PM
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24. I'm paying attention to Helen Thomas.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 03:36 PM by JohnnyLib2
Now and always. And her paragraph--first paragraph about the questions needing answers--really grabbed me:


"All the candidates should be pinned down on how they feel about Bush’s concept of pre-emptive war; wiretapping without a warrant; waterboarding and other forms of torture; and the policy of “rendition” — sending prisoners to jails abroad where they are subject to abusive interrogation while being held in limbo."


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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 03:42 PM
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27. So she supports Kucinich it seems! Go Helen! n/t
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:17 PM
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36. Thanks Helen!
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:32 PM
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37. That is exactly why Kucinich has been shut out.
They don't want to ask or answer the hard questions. That is the reason we need Kucinich in the debates whether or not you think he is "electable".
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:39 PM
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39. You got it!
Welcome to DU!! :hi:
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:44 PM
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42. Thanks
I love Helen she tells it straight, one of the last of the true reporters.
:hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:47 PM
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43. I agree and she poses the questions that shoud be asked!
I love her for pointing that out for the 'decideds' and the 'undecideds'! :D

We all need to be asking these questions!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:37 PM
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38. Go, Helen !!!
I, too, would like specific answers from each candidate on these issues.

There is ONE more specific answer I would like:

Where do you stand on "The Oil Law" which is being forced on the Iraqi People?

This LAW is a "benchmark" which was supported by the Democratic Party in their failed Iraq Funding Bill that included non-binding withdrawal guidelines.

This "Oil Law" will force Iraq to privatize their oil resources and give 80% of their resources to American Oil Corporations.

Dennis Kucinich HAS spoken out about this, and rightly called it a "War Crime". (Good on Dennis)

Where do the other candidates stand on this issue?

I speculate that Edwards does not support it based on his call for complete withdrawal within 10 months.
It will take Boots on the Ground (combat troops) to FORCE the Iraqis to give away their oil. This is probably the source of the ambiguous stand on the withdrawal of American troops that has been taken by Obama/Clinton who have pledged to keep troops in Iraq "to protect American interests" (The Oil?)


I would like each candidate to state their position on the "Oil Law" benchmark.


”Unlike other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.”
---Dennis Kucinich

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:40 PM
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40. Are the candidates still taking You Tube questions?
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 04:40 PM by Breeze54
If so, you should pose that one! :hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:16 PM
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41. Kicking for democracy! There are questions that need answers!
:kick:
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