I guess even Democrats vote against their best interests…

** It makes sense to me to have a single payer not for profit health care system… Healthcare is a human right, it should be available to everybody, it should be affordable, and no one should ‘profit’ from the ills of humans.

** It makes sense to get all troops out of Iraq within 3 months. It’s all about the oil for the oil companies. It is one of the ugliest most disgraceful things America has ever done.

** It makes sense to me to have a Works Green Administration – put Americans to work rebuilding America’s infrastructure and construct the sustainable energy systems we need.

** It makes sense to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO and return to the tariff systems we had in place for over 200 years. We need to put Americans back to work, to build things, to export things. The only way to reduce our debt is to bring money into our treasury. The only way to return America to prosperity is to create actual wealth thru products and services – not just moving money from one pocket to another.

** It makes sense to me to restore our Constitution – repeal the Patriot Act, repeal the Military Commissions Act, restore habeas corpus for god’s sake, and hold the guilty accountable.

These are the problems our country is facing today, and they are literally killing America. And these are also the solutions to restore America’s greatness.

We all know that republicans have no clue on how to govern – their only mission is to kill and steal. And, unfortunately, democrats sometimes fall into the same ‘money traps’.

You can talk about change – but remember it has to be ‘change for the betterment of America and all Americans”.

Any Democrat will always be better than any republican. But to really get us out of our hole, we need someone who actually has identified the problems we are facing and has real life solutions.

Am I wrong here?

Anyway, of course, there is only one person who has actually documented the problems and solutions and that is Dennis Kucinich with John Edwards to a lesser extent.

Will America choose the ‘popular’ corporate media backed candidate or choose the one who will implement the real solutions to America’s problems?

Ya, that’s what I thought.

I agree with myself on all the issues, but would never vote for myself for President.

You agree with yourself on 100% of the issues. I doubt you can say that about any other candidate.

I know I could be better than the current monster in office...

I'd vote for myself, too.

I'd rather have someone in the WH that has our interests in mind, than the most experienced politician in the world who's been ordered to drive us all off a cliff.

and don't think I could've said it better myself :)

Good to meet another fellow "terrorist" in this age of "Heroic Governments"!

I have others I could add, but you've summed up things our top tiers SHOULD be running on, and should do.

Hell knows where rationality has gone- we're supposed to lockstep for things we don't want, and won't help us!

and cannot understand why people support any of the other candidates. I can see the appeal of Obama, and have not written him off, but to me he doesn't go far enough on these issues. I think only Edwards and Kucinich really "get it" - but I am also suspicious of Edwards and his own inconsistencies. I will vote for him in the primary, if my state's primary matters. If it doesn't, I will happily vote for Kucinich.

they can write their own ticket, build their own legislative agenda.

They will have all the power they need to change course, if they want to. That's the big question - do they want to?

Whichever Dem gets elected, we have a right to see a 180 degree turnaround on all public policy in this country within the first year. Period. No excuses.

Its what the majority of voters want and if they don't serve the voters, they shouldn't run.

Not to put any of them down, but, how many times.... how many times have we all be so disappointed in their actions or inactions on important legislation or confirmations.

If we the people want our America back, we need to elect progressives to office.

They've both been "inside the bubble" too long.

"With Dems controlling WH and Congress, they can write their own ticket, build their own legislative agenda."

Well, remember January 1993 - January 1995? Dems controlled both branches then, too, but the Repukes stymied and roadblocked nearly everything...and the Dems just rolled over and played dead for them. The majority of Americans were for Health Care Reform until they rolled out Harry and Louise. :puke:

thank God it could never actually happen. That's the sort of shit that GOPers point to when they want to say that Dems support "precipitous withdrawal"--in this case, they would be right.

Only when America gets out of Iraq will the world be able to trust us again...

and must be done gradually to ensure the safety of our troops, and to ensure that there's not a sudden power vacuum left behind in our absence that may lead to instability or violence, or terror groups taking over, or Iran trying to seize influence. These things might happen anyway, but best to minimize it by withdrawing carefully and gradually. That's why I opposed the surge, and still do--we just dug in deeper, and made it that much harder to leave.

Kucinich did not vote for the illegal Iraq war...

But it's not about perfection, it's about a record of sound judgment.

Obama?

And having a shot in hell of winning.

It is a question of judgement....
AND
Ethics, Honesty, Loyalty and Morality.

Some are quicker to sacrifice those values for Political Expediency.

Saying you would have voted AGAINST the outrage, and yet unapologetically voting to Pay For It causes Cognitive Dissonance for Inquiring Minds.

You have to draw down. That takes time. Defunding is contiguous.

spitting on the Constitution, etc. if they return Pelosi to Congress.

SnoopDog, I agree with you.

to a more populist series of statements.

.. for endorsing Obama.

I understand that some other idols are
about to fall as well.

I'm so sad.

I guess this thread was to show my frustration with the voting public...

A quick example from the best seller: "What About Kansas?"

The largely blue collar citizens of Kansas can be counted upon to be a "red" state in any election, voting solidly Republican and possessing a deep animosity toward the left. This, according to author Thomas Frank, is a pretty self-defeating phenomenon, given that the policies of the Republican Party benefit the wealthy and powerful at the great expense of the average worker. According to Frank, the conservative establishment has tricked Kansans, playing up the emotional touchstones of conservatism and perpetuating a sense of a vast liberal empire out to crush traditional values while barely ever discussing the Republicans' actual economic policies and what they mean to the working class. Thus the pro-life Kansas factory worker who listens to Rush Limbaugh will repeatedly vote for the party that is less likely to protect his safety, less likely to protect his job, and less likely to benefit him economically.

http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/0805073396

and cannot even to begin to understand why any Democrat would support the subversive DLC. Maybe they think there's something in it for them. If that's the case, they don't understand that DLC will crap on them just like they're crapping on progressives.

Of only Edwards' rhetoric matched his record, I'd be all for him.

But it doesn't. Iowans apparently saw through that.

....NewsCorp and TimeWarner want them to vote for. The ONLY candidates GE, Disney, Viacom, NewsCorp, and TimeWarner will talk about -- or talk positively about.

That's who'll get the nom.

Corprats control the national conversation. Edwards and Kucinich would like to change that. But 'Murkins apparently LIKE being spoon-fed corporate preference as a substitute for critical thought about the root of the issues facing their nation today (one of them being that corprats control the national conversation because five of them own ALL the media - Al Gore addressed this in his book, remember?).

Fine.

So be it. Enjoy y'all...



(now excuse me while I go :puke:)

"even Democrats" part in the thread title.

Democrats REGULARLY vote against their own best interests. They are just as easily manipulated as the rest of the voting population.

I'll be voting for Kucinich if he's on my ballot; maybe writing him in if he is not.

I'm currently looking at the other state and local offices open to see what my options are in those races as well.