On Obama and ambigious change.

Many claim that they do not see change in Obama. They, in fairness, point out that he is not as Progressive as Edwards. They, in fairness, point out that Hillary has done more at the National level when it comes to the Democratic cause.

Yet, he is still viewed as THE change candidate, especially to younger voters. Obama has been running as if in a General Election from the beginning, he has consistently tried to appeal to Independents and young voters. If you notice in Iowa, he added red *change* signs to the *blue* signs. He also added *unity* signs in his crowd of supporters. I would like him to be more progressive. I supported Kucinich, and have defaulted to Edwards Populist message, however I will proudly stand behind Obama. Obama is adopting much of Edwards' message, to our collective advantage.

Those who are 18-30 years old and older do see change in Obama. We have never in their lifetime witnessed a Presidential Candidate talk the way he does. The message of hope and change, however vague it may appear, strikes a chord in many. He is offering something that has not been offered to them before. We have never heard a Candidate talk to Us. He is winning because of this. He will continue to win because of this.

His policies may not be as much of a change as we want. But, understand, he has taken the word as his own, and he took it early. Last night, all the candidates (R and D) were tripping over themselves to stake claim on some of that. And when we go into the General Election, we will reap the benefits of those seeds of change.

The Repukes do not represent the change that America is so ready for. They are the Party that gave us the boy-chimp and dead-eye-dick. They are the Party that gave us the America we live and struggle in today. And America knows this.

When the Democratic Nominee stands on the debate stage with one puke and challenges them on Universal Healthcare, Environmental Protections, Ending the Occupation, Education, Poverty and Representing the People; the puke will fall flat. The contrast will be stark, and it will be obvious who is for change.

Obama does represent Change, as does Edwards and Hillary in her way. Obama, however, knows how to gain support and he knows how to talk to America in a new way. A lot of his change is found, quite simply, in how he communicates to the American People, and that is significant enough to win.

I didn't read the whole thing. It was a satire piece? "New way"! Good one!

I'm serious when I say that many young voters are motivated by a candidate for the first time in their lives. Many how have never even voted, are working for his candidacy. And, the Democratic Party will win because of it. Regardless of who our eventual nominee is, he has brought a lot of fresh faces, fresh voters to the dance--and they will vote for the Democrat in the General.

....and you had better be able to back it up.

Voters of any age will begin to wonder if they don't see or hear the specifics of these promises that will change their lives.

try to pin him down during the debate. But, still if he says the things he wants to change, he will stand in contrast to the same ol' pukes.

You need to accept that and also accept that those older than you may know more and make different choices about which candidate they want to make those changes.

If you read the piece, Edwards is my choice, right now and has been since I saw that Kucinich didn't generate the support needed.

I would love to see Edwards come up and win it all, but it's not going to happen. The good thing is, and this is a good thing, Obama generates support and excitement. He can win big in the General Election.

Everyone of every age is free to vote for whomever, for any reason. I was just trying to make the point that a lot of young voters are drawn to politics and the Democratic Party because of Obama's appeal.

They're interested in a cult, not democracy. CLEARLY not democracy.

STFU

don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

You think this is NEW??? Phooey! Laughing make me cough.

It seems new to young voters. He may be more of the same. But, he motivates and brings people out in great number.

So, indulge me, if you would, aquart. I respect you opinion, I am asking genuinely. I can tell you are not impressed with Obama, in the least. A lot of people think he is empty rhetoric, I hope that is not the case. Who do you think has what it takes to win, and to govern effectively for Progressive Policies? And, do you not think that an Obama Presidency would be an effective one?

The things that need fixing in our country are obvious to everyone. That this country needs drastic change is not in question.

Any candidate's plan is going to be judged by the public. You either support change or you don't. It doesn't need to be "sold" to the public, they already know it. They're just tired of hearing people promise it, then not deliver.

Obama is talking and spinning change, with few details about how he's going to deliver it. He needs to "change" that if he wants to be elected.

Obama is taking a lot of Edwards' Populist Platform and incorporating it. I know Edwards is the true agent of change, but not as many people believe Edwards as they do Obama, for whatever reason. If Obama is going to win, he needs to take on a lot more of what Edwards has to say.

actually takes the time to look at his issues page and look a bit around on the net after his past history and records, thus they know he is a true progressive that has been consistent most his life and are able to know some of the changes he is talking about

Its not like its hard digging up info these days if you want to

I'm sorry, but I don't trust candidates who "borrow" from other candidates' positions. It smacks of insincerity and opportunism.

They either get it or they don't. There's no "on the job" training.

in the general campaign the Democratic candidate cannot spellout in detail, in simple language and without stammer or error logcally achievable plans to deal with Health Care, Economy, the War, and Immigration. The Obama group will poopoo this view, let them for they have no knowledge or memory. This was Roves PRIME tactic in 2000 and 2004, the Democrats ran up an Idea, a slogan...if it resonated with the voters then the very next day the Repugs began claiming it as there own, and the people bought it!

Well Spoken.

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