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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:36 PM
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Larisa Alexandrovna at Huff Post: "Sibel Edmonds Speaks" (Additional Info/Naming Names!)
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:08 PM by Hissyspit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/sibel-edmonds-speaks_b_80077.html

Sibel Edmonds Speaks...
Posted January 6, 2008 | 03:18 PM (EST)

Sibel Edmonds, the FBI whistle-blower who has been gagged for years by the Bush administration over intercepts she translated while at the bureau, was willing to go to prison to get her story told. She spent years trying to get her day in court, but the State Secrets gag against her prohibited her from telling her story even to a FISA judge. After years of trying to fight her way to through the maze of the US court system, Sibel Edmonds finally decided to tell her story no matter the consequences and offered to do so to any interested US media outlets.

Today, part of that story runs, but not in the United States, where not a single corporate outlet was willing to displease the White House and give Edmonds a platform. The Sunday Times Online, however, proved up to the task - somewhat. Here are the snips from that article:

"A WHISTLEBLOWER has made a series of extraordinary claims about how corrupt government officials allowed Pakistan and other states to steal nuclear weapons secrets.

Sibel Edmonds, a 37-year-old former Turkish language translator for the FBI, listened into hundreds of sensitive intercepted conversations while based at the agency's Washington field office.

She approached The Sunday Times last month after reading about an Al-Qaeda terrorist who had revealed his role in training some of the 9/11 hijackers while he was in Turkey.

Edmonds described how foreign intelligence agents had enlisted the support of US officials to acquire a network of moles in sensitive military and nuclear institutions.

- snip -

Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the US State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan. The name of the official - who has held a series of top government posts - is known to The Sunday Times. He strongly denies the claims.

However, Edmonds said: "He was aiding foreign operatives against US interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives."

Let me help the Times here. The person against whom these allegations are being made is Marc Grossman. The Times could have published the name and also provided the denial from Grossman's camp. I find it incredibly disturbing that they would not name the official.

- snip -

Those senior DOD officials who are not mentioned in the Times article, all but one are no longer in government. They are alleged to be Doug Feith, Richard Perle, among others. There is also one person who is part of these allegations, still serving in a high level position at the DOD. His last name begins with an E.

I have tried getting someone in broadcast and print media to run this story. My sources did not include Edmonds, but because of the sensitive nature of the information, I was concerned that she would go to jail anyway, unless I proved she was not a source - which would require me to reveal my sources.

I thought if I approached a big enough news outlet, the pressure generated by the public response would spare Edmonds jail time and I would not be pressured to reveal sources - something I would not have done anyway. Even a former high ranking CIA officer offered to byline the article with me if that would help sell a broadcaster/publication on running the story. No one was interested.

That the Times ran these allegations (she is under a state secrets gag folks, so it is not like she is gagged for lying) is encouraging. But that they omitted all names from the allegations is unethical. The point of a free press is not to protect the powerful against the weak, but to protect the public from the powerful. The Times was willing to stick a toe in, but was not willing to risk upsetting a foreign government (This is, after all, a British paper).

There are more names, including members of Congress and people serving in the FBI. This is what happens when basic government services as well as the most sensitive government functions are outsourced to the global marketplace.

- snip -

Let me again offer help to the good folks at the Times. The person in question is a Turkish military official who at that time also happened to sit on the board of a particular defense contracting firm.

- snip -

Edmonds says packages containing nuclear secrets were delivered by Turkish operatives, using their cover as members of the diplomatic and military community, to contacts at the Pakistani embassy in Washington. Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on suspicion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks.

Edmonds said the State Department official once again proved useful. "A primary target would call the official and point to names on the list and say, 'We need to get them out of the US because we can't afford for them to spill the beans'," she said. "The official said that he would 'take care of it'."

Read the whole thing. I urge you to print it, email it, share it with everyone you know. Edmonds has said enough now that she may very likely go to prison, but she is a true patriot and she must have our support, in the media and also in the public sphere.

MUCH MORE AT LINK

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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:47 PM
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1. Does anyone know who this would be?
"His last name begins with an E"
I am pretty foggy and can't put a decent thought together this week.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:49 PM
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2. Edelman? England? Visit here:
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:00 PM by Hissyspit
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:40 PM
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10. Please comment at Larisa's Huff Post, to promote to front page; also Digg and Stumble Upon
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:47 PM by Hissyspit
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:41 PM
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11. Here is Lukery's original post:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:30 PM
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31. Larisa Alexandrovna: "Sibel Speaks Part II - Naming More Names..."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:21 PM
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19. Ambassador Eric S. Edelman
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 07:21 PM by seemslikeadream
Ambassador Eric S. Edelman is the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. His last assignment was as Ambassador to the Republic of Turkey from July 2003 to June 2005. From February 2001 to June 2003, he was Principal Deputy Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs. Prior to being assigned to the Office of the Vice President, he was Ambassador to the Republic of Finland, 1998-2001. From June 1996 to July 1998, he served as Executive Assistant to the Deputy Secretary of State. Mr. Edelman was Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy, Prague, Czech Republic, from June 1994 to June 1996.

http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/biographydetail.aspx?biographyid=45
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:53 PM
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4. My guess
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 05:55 PM by seemslikeadream
ERIC S. EDELMAN

When lukery says something I listen



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/2/02757/22710


Eric Edelman: key conspirator in Sibel Edmonds case
by lukery
Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 05:07:14 AM PST
Until recently, Eric Edelman, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, was the most powerful neocon in the country that hardly anybody had ever heard of, despite his role in outing Valerie Plame.

For one reason or other, Edelman has been making a splash lately. He recently sent Hillary a letter telling her to stop giving aid & comfort to enemies, and earlier this week Bob Novak wrotethat Edelman was briefing Congress on plans to secretly assassinate Kurdish fighters in Iraq.

Given Edelman's low public profile to date, there might be some things that you don't know about him. For example, did you know that Edelman replaced Doug Feith via a recess appointment? Do you know that he lied and told congress that he wasn't involved in the Plame investigation? Did you know that he was hated when he was the Ambassador to Turkey?

Oh. And did you know that he is neck-deep in the case of former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds?
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 07:37 AM
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45. Edelman
means Noble Man in Dutch. So much for etymology...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:51 PM
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56. Edelman is such a "Watergate" name.
Except all of this is so much worse than the Watergate crimes. It's not even in the same universe.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:51 PM
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3. Sibel Edmonds: KILL THE MESSENGER
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:32 PM
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66. Is there any place that has the long version online? (80+ minutes)?
This one and others are the 52 minute version. I'm curious what the additional 30 minutes had in it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:56 PM
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5. Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:13 PM
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59. k n r
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:14 PM by BushDespiser12
great work!

meant to be attached to original OP, but I think it's fine where it is as well :kick:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:03 PM
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6. Replying to KICK
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:11 PM
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7. Am I reading this correctly - they were sending FBI targets out of the country to stop 9/11 truth?
I am confused...from the article....

"Edmonds says packages containing nuclear secrets were delivered by Turkish operatives, using their cover as members of the diplomatic and military community, to contacts at the Pakistani embassy in Washington. Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on suspicion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks.

Edmonds said the State Department official once again proved useful. "A primary target would call the official and point to names on the list and say, 'We need to get them out of the US because we can't afford for them to spill the beans'," she said. "The official said that he would 'take care of it'."

Does this mean that the State Department official was actively sending people involved in 9/11 out of the country to stop the truth from being revealed about the attacks????? The implications of this are astounding.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:38 PM
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9. yup, that's the way I read it. Amazing,
I can't even add up all the people who were involved in 9/11, there's just too many known unknowns known. Maybe I have that backwards, eh Donald?
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:59 PM
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75. Let us not forget the Donald, your Mr. Rrrmsfeld. What a guy.
Let's remember who the secretary of defense was. Let's remember the bosses: Rumsfeld, Cheney and the commander in chief who placed all these people. Mission accomplished. Let's give a shout out to Cambone, too. Thanks for contracting out Abu Ghraib, guys. Keepin us safe.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:32 PM
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8. k and recommended for
how long she's had to keep her mouth shut, that must've been killing her inside. So much useful information. Amazing. Just amazing. I wish her safety, and I bow to her bravery. OMG
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:43 PM
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12. K&R! nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:43 PM
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13. we've waited a long time for this! everybody needs to DIGG this!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:51 PM
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15. Comment at Huff Po, too. It really needs to be featured on the Home page there...
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:51 PM by Hissyspit
I mean, there's a damn Britney Spears post featured on the Home page - come on, now!!

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:43 PM
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36. yeah, good luck with that...
i am not famous enough to be on their front page... i have written entries that have gotten nearly 200 comments and i still get buried as soon as my work goes up... they no likey me:((
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:50 PM
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14. K & R. Thank you Larisa and Hissyspit.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 06:53 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:57 PM
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16. Kicked and recommended.
:thumbsup:
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:12 PM
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17. K&R
Very good, indeed.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:16 PM
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18. k&r! n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:31 PM
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20. Nuclear secrets via Turkish operative to Pakistan Embassy in Washington.
Could those be secrets that were for sale and bought and transferred? Cheney, Khan, N. Korea/Iran? Meaning sold to N Korea and Iran and possible others, but those are the two who count. You must feed your enemies using the press and hate machines - to maintain the pace and pretension of perpetual hate and war. And make some big time money on the side. Those are our secrets, folks.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:32 PM
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21. It's time our candidates started backing Ms. Edmonds.
WHO, is keeping us "safe" again?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:40 PM
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22. Sibel has named more names!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:02 PM
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26. larisa too!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:34 PM
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34. Ashcroft & Gonzales for the cover up and Cheney
the coverup says alot
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:41 PM
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23. k & r
:kick:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:58 PM
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24. K&R n/t
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 07:59 PM
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25. Hissy... Important addition
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/01/sibel-speaks-pa.html

it is up to all of you now... i could not get anything published on this.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:26 PM
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27. Thank you for this incredible work, Larisa.
It is absolutely mind-boggling (and revealing of the how lost we are) that nobody in America will touch this story. I guess we'll have to see what we can do on the Net with it.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:29 PM
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30. no doubt -- thank you lala!
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:37 PM
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35. I think Luke and obviously Sibel
deserve far more credit on this than I do:)
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:25 PM
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50. Yeah, maybe, but Sibel doesn't post here much AFAIK. (nt)
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 07:10 AM
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43. yep and i would
do it quickly as things tend to get "scrubbed."
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:26 PM
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28. THE NAMES -->>
Richard Perle
Doug Feith
Eric Edelman
Marc Grossman
Larry Franklin
Dennis Hastert
Roy Blunt
Dan Burton
Tom Lantos
Bob Livingston
Stephen Solarz
Graham Fuller
David Makovsky
Alan Markovsky
Enver Yusuf
Sabri Sayari
Mehmet Eymur
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:53 AM
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47. Tom Lantos?
Didn't he just announce that he had cancer?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:59 PM
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68. Marc Grossman + Turkey + Pakistan ISI + Brewster Jennings
http://rastibini.blogspot.com/2008/01/man-who-gave-pakistan-bomb.html

Oh, let me take three nanoseconds of my time to guess who that "well-known senior official in the US State Department" was: Marc Grossman.

Those familiar with the details of the conflict of interest surrounding the State Department's appointment of Lockheed Martin's Joseph Ralston as "PKK coordinator" for Turkey, will remember that Ralston works as a vice-chairman of The Cohen Group. The other vice-chairman of The Cohen Group is Marc Grossman.

The Cohen Group, founded by former Defense Secretary William Cohen--a Clinton appointee--has been involved in nothing but dirty business since its creation, such as its role in the cover-up of Oil-for-Food kickbacks and the Australian Wheat Board. Then, of course, there was the appointment of Ralston as "special envoy" to Turkey to "coordinate" the PKK, even while he was listed as a lobbyist for The Cohen Group in order to export tactical fighter aircraft--and this while maintaining his position as a member of the Board of Directors of Lockheed Martin.

So it should come as no surprise that The Cohen Group should attract and employ a major rodent like Grossman.

Marc Grossman climbed his way to the number three position at the State Department during his 29 years at the department, during which time he worked in Turkey and Pakistan. As the US ambassador to Turkey, he supervised the procurement of American military hardware for the Turkish military and the guy who was directly in charge of that procurement was none other than US Air Force Major Douglas Dickerson who, with his wife, MİT operative Melek Can Dickerson, figures prominently in Sibel's story.

Note that Grossman and Dickerson worked together to provide Turkey with American weapons and military training at the height of Turkey's genocidal Dirty War against the Kurdish people, during which time the US provided more weapons to Turkey than it had during all the other combined years of the Cold War.

Grossman has also been seriously implicated in tipping off both the Pakistanis and the Turks as to the true nature of Brewster Jennings, earning him the status of "subject of interest" by US intelligence circles:


"When Beyaz Enerji began to encounter 'consultants' with Brewster Jennings, they expressed an interest to their ATC interlocutors in buying the firm along with other energy consulting companies. In the two phone calls intercepted by the FBI, Grossman told the called parties to 'stay away from Brewster Jennings . . . they're the government . . . they're nothing but a cover.' One of the calls was to a Pakistani Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) top agent in Washington. The other call, bearing an almost identical message, was made to a Northrop Grumman official who was a key player with the ATC. The Northrop Grumman official made a phone call to his ATC handler, stating, 'Our guy warned us off Brewster Jennings.' A U.S. intelligence source stated that 'Grossman's name was all over the FBI wiretaps in 2001.'

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:05 PM
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69. Marc Grossman + 9/11 + Pakistan nukes (in Sibel's words...) -->>
http://rastibini.blogspot.com/2008/01/man-who-gave-pakistan-bomb.html


Let's make it clear what I'm saying here, and what Sibel is saying: Marc Grossman sold nuclear secrets to the Turks, who turned around and sold them to Pakistan. Marc Grossman gave Pakistan The Bomb.

-->>


Ahmed , the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?



A better question: Why hasn't the US demanded that Marc Grossman be questioned and tried in court?

Did claims against our "subject of interest" pan out? If not, then why did Grossman resign from the number 3 position at the State Department under cover of darkness--normal activity for rodents--by the beginning of 2005?

Sibel herself put it best:


The second Vice Chairman of Cohen’s firm is Marc Grossman, who was the U.S. Undersecretary for Political Affairs in the State Department from 2001 until 2005. From November 1994 to June 1997, he served as U.S. Ambassador to Turkey. In January 2005 Grossman resigned from his position and joined the Cohen Group. In late December 2005, Grossman joined Ihlas Holding, a large and alleged shady Turkish company which is also active in several Central Asian countries. Grossman is reported to receive $100,000 per month for his advisory position with Ihlas.’ Most and foremost, Grossman is known for his extraordinarily cozy relationship with Turkey and Israel; followed by Pakistan.

...

Please do not make the grave and naive mistake of assuming that Grossman found and obtained his highly lucrative and questionable positions after his resignation in January 2005. Within two months after his confident resignation, this boy got the vice chairmanship of the Cohen Group. Only six months later, Grossman ended up securing a ‘special advisory’ position for a foreign company that reported his monthly fee at $100,000 a month. The industrious Grossman seems to be juggling so many balls simultaneously: numerous foreign sponsored dinner speeches, the demanding pimping activities of Cohen’s firm, the very ‘special advising’ of a shady foreign company…



(snip)

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:28 PM
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29. THE PHRASES -->>
Gray Wolves
Shanghai Cooperation Organization
RAND Corporation
PNAC
East Turkmenistan
Iran
Syria
Foreign Policy
King Faisal
ISI

(wow -- i'll be goolging my little fingers off tonight -- :)
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:09 PM
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37. one org-
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 09:15 PM by kineneb
Gray Wolves: jogged my memory...got down my copy of Martin Lee's The Beast Reawakens... discussing the "stay behind" underground Nazi groups of the 1950s, funded by CIA as anti-communist...in note on 56: The Turkish arm (of the Gehlen Org's sleeper groups) worked in tandem with the Gray Wolves, a violent neo-Nazi youth group. These sleeper groups were outgrowths of Otto Skorzeny's Werewolves.

...the other reference, p.202: FANE also collaborated with the Turkish Grey Wolves, a neo-Nazi terrorist group whose most famous member, Mehmet Ali Agca, shot Pope John Paul II in May 1981.

I won't quote the long note that follows, but here are more names and connections therein:
-Abdullah Catli- gave Agca the gun used
-Duane Dewey Clarridge - served w/CIA in Turkey, early-mid 1970s
-coup assisted by Grey Wolves which overthrew legit gov. circa early 1980s- worked w/Turkish army version of "stay behind" group "Counter-Guerrilla Org."
-Grey Wolves also involved w/drugs trade, couriers for Turkish Mafia
-they also smuggled lots of NATO armaments into Middle East, 70s-80s, often in exchange for heroin>then smuggled into Italy>smuggled to US

ed: oops forgot...FANE=Federation d'action nationale europeene (sorry no French characters avail)=French neo-Nazi group, headed at that time by Marc Frederiksen

and all these folks connect to: Reinhard Gehlen, Otto Skorzeny, Otto Ernst Reimer, Michael Kuehnen


Have fun...:hi:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:26 PM
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38. This is just a side note...

Litvinenko may have been poisoned because he was snooping into Afghan-mafiya (with American assistance) heroin smuggling.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:56 PM
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57. Shanghai Cooperation Organization -->>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organization

Members
* China
* Kazakhstan
* Kyrgyzstan
* Russia
* Tajikistan
* Uzbekistan

Observers

* India
* Iran
* Mongolia
* Pakistan


Blue: Member states.
Green: Observer status.
Cyan: Taiwan.

Together, SCO full and observer members form not only the world's biggest economic and military power, but also the world's biggest producer and consumer of energy. Moreover, SCO countries (full members and observers) comprise a hefty 25% of Earth's land area. Although the declaration on the establishment of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation contained a statement that it "is not an alliance directed against other states and regions and it adheres to the principle of openness", many observers believe that one of the original purposes of the SCO was to serve as a counterbalance to NATO and the United States and in particular to avoid conflicts that would allow the United States to intervene in areas near both Russia and China. Some observers also believe that the organisation was formed as a direct response to the threat of missile defense systems by the United States, after the United States reversed course in its nuclear policy and began promoting National Missile Defense.

The United States applied for observer status in the SCO, but was rejected in 2005.<21>

At the Astana summit in July 2005, with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq foreshadowing an indefinite presence of U.S. forces in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, the SCO urged the U.S. to set a timetable for withdrawing its troops from SCO member states. Shortly afterwards, Uzbekistan asked the U.S. to leave the K-2 air base.<22>

Recently the SCO has made no direct comments against the U.S. or its military presence in the region. However, several indirect statements at the past summits, including the 2007 summit in Bishkek, have been viewed as "thinly veiled swipes at Washington".<23>
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:10 PM
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58. East Turkmenistan -->>
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E4D8113CF934A1575BC0A9649C8B63

American Gives Beijing Good News: Rebels on Terror List

By ERIK ECKHOLM
Published: August 27, 2002

The Bush administration has listed an obscure Muslim group (East Turkestan separatists) fighting Chinese rule in the western province of Xinjiang as a terrorist organization, a visiting senior American official disclosed here tonight. The step pleased Beijing, which is anxious to portray its crackdown on restive Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang as part of the global campaign against terrorism, and it might bolster China's cooperation in that American-led campaign.

Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage described the listing -- of an apparently small organization that is said by China to have close ties with Al Qaeda -- during a meeting with reporters tonight. He spoke after an day of intense talks, described as preparations for an Oct. 25 summit meeting in Texas between President Bush and President Jiang Zemin.

(snip)

Today's meetings, with Hu Jintao, the vice president and heir apparent, as well as several foreign policy and military leaders, addressed issues including missile proliferation, human rights, Taiwan and the American threats regarding Iraq, as well as the shared goals in the campaign against terrorism and in reducing India-Pakistan tensions.

Mr. Armitage's disclosure that a Xinjiang group had been added to the list came in response to questions.

''It's done -- it was done several days ago,'' he said of the decision to put the group, known as the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, on the enemies list. The group was virtually unknown until last winter, when China asserted that it was linked to Al Qaeda, with members who had trained in Afghanistan. Now the Bush administration has agreed.''After careful study we judged that it was a terrorist group, that it committed acts of violence against unarmed civilians without any regard for who was hurt,'' Mr. Armitage said. Listing the group will help dry up its funds, he said. But the biggest gain for Beijing may be symbolic.

This group has played at most a small role in the simmering ethnic unrest in Xinjiang, where Muslim of the Uighur ethnic group, few of whom are fundamentalists, chafe at China's stringent rule. The certified condemnation may help China describe its often heavy-handed repression in Xinjiang as a necessary flank in the global antiterror campaign, not as an issue of human rights. China was gratified by the decision to put ''East Turkestan separatists'' on the list of terrorist organizations, Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan said, not mentioning the specific group in question, in a report by the New China News Agency.

(snip)




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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:16 PM
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60. Turkmenistan Oil
http://turkmenistanoil.tripod.com/


TURKMENISTAN OIL AND GAS INFORMATION
Companies, which have active Production Sharing Agreement with the Government of Turkmenistan:

-- Petronas (offshore)

-- Dragon Oil (offshore)

-- Burren Energy (onshore)

-- Maersk/WIntershall (offshore)

-- Consortium Khazar - Mitro International/Turkmennebit (onshore)


Turkmenistan ranks fourth in the world to Russia, Iran and the United States in natural gas reserves. The Turkmenistan Natural Gas Company (Turkmengaz), under the auspices of the Ministry of Oil and Gas, controls gas extraction in the republic. Gas production is the youngest and most dynamic and promising sector of the national economy. Turkmenistan's gas reserves are estimated at 8.1-8.7 trillion cubic meters and its prospecting potential at up to 21 trillion cubic meters. The Ministry of Oil and Gas oversees exploration of new deposits. Sites under exploration are located in Mary Province, in western and northern Turkmenistan, on the right bank of the Amu Darya, and offshore in the Caspian Sea.

Most of Turkmenistan's oil is extracted by the Turkmenistan State Company (Concern) Turkmennebit from fields at Koturdepe, Nebitdag, and Chekelen near the Caspian Sea, which have a combined estimated reserve of 700 million tons. The oil extraction industry started with the exploitation of the fields in Chekelen in 1909 (by Nobel brothers) and Nebitdag in the 1930s, then production leaped ahead with the discovery of the Kumdag field in 1948 and the Koturdepe field in 1959. Big part of the oil produced in Turkmenistan is refined in Turkmenbashy and Seidi refineries. Also, oil is exported by tankers through Caspian Sea to Europe and other international markets.

Oil production reached peaks of 14,430,000 tons in 1970 and 15,725,000 tons in 1974, compared with 5,400,000 tons in 1991. Today, some 10 million ton of oil is produced annually by Turkmennebit and foreign oil companies operating under PSA.

Modernizing the park of equipment and operating techniques of Turkmennebit and Turkmengaz with the help of suppliers and service companies, attracting more foreign oil companies for PSA and joint operation contracts in order to significantly increase production of hydrocarbon's is one of the main tasks for the country's petroleum industry.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:24 PM
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61. Grey Wolves, CIA, mafia and GLADIO (wiki)-->>
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:28 PM by nashville_brook
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves#Links_to_intelligence_and_organised_crime

Links to intelligence and organised crime

Numerous sources show that the MHP (Nationalist Movement Party) and the Grey Wolves had ties to the Turkish mafia, to the Turkish intelligence services as well as to the CIA and other intelligence agencies. Emin Değer, former military public attorney and member of the Turkish Supreme Court, has established that the Grey Wolves' collaborated with the counter-insurgency governmental forces, as well as the close ties between these state security forces and the CIA. Indeed, Martin A. Lee also wrote that the para-military wing of the Grey Wolves were covertly supported by the CIA, which worked with the Gladio network, while a December 5, 1990 article by the Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung stated that the Counter-Guerrilla had their headquarters in the building of the US DIA military secret service. Le Monde diplomatique wrote that "the CIA used proponents of the Greater Turkey to stir up anti-sovietic passions at the heart of Turkish Muslim minorities in the Soviet Union". Thus, in 1992, colonel Türkes went to newly-independent Azerbaijan, where he was acclaimed as a hero. He supported Grey Wolves sympathiser Abülfaz Elçibay's candidacy to the presidency. Once elected, Elçibay chose as ministry of Interior İsgandar Hamidov, a member of the Grey Wolves who plead for the creation of a Greater Turkey which would include northern Iran and extend itself to Siberia, India and China. Hamidov resigned in April 1993 after having threatened Armenia with a nuclear strike.

According to Daniele Ganser, a researcher at the ETH Zürich University, the founder of the Grey Wolves, Alparslan Türkeş was a member of Counter-Guerrilla, the Turkish branch of Gladio, a stay-behind NATO anticommunist paramilitary organization which was supposed to prepare networks for guerilla warfare in case of a Soviet invasion. Le Monde diplomatique confirms that the Grey Wolves were infiltrated and manipulated by Gladio, and that important Grey Wolves member Abdullah Çatlı had worked with Gladio. According to the same article, Abdullah Çatlı met with Italian international terrorist Stefano Delle Chiaie, who, apart of taking part in Italy' strategy of tension, also maintained links with Pinochet's DINA and participated in the Argentinian dirty war. However, in Italy, Greece, and Turkey, Gladio supported a strategy of tension (strategia della tensione in Italian) which used false flags terrorist attacks in order to discredit the communist movement.

Activities to date

On a global scale, the Grey Wolves are suspected to have been responsible for numerous political assassinations and disappearances of Turkish and Kurdish human rights activists, and are known to have ties with the Turkish mafia. The Grey Wolves have also raised funds for Chechen guerilla separatists, whom they consider their Turkish brothers.

In 2004, the Grey Wolves successfully prevented the screening of Atom Egoyan's Ararat in Turkey, a film about the Armenian Genocide
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:39 PM
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62. Grey Wolves, heroin, death squads, and the attempted assassination of the Pope -->>(Consortium News)
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:42 PM by nashville_brook
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story33.html

On the Trail of Turkey's Terrorist Grey Wolves
By Martin A. Lee

In broad daylight on May 2, 50 armed men set upon a television station in Istanbul with gunfire. The attackers unleashed a fusillade of bullets and shouted slogans supporting Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister Tansu Ciller. The gunmen were outraged over the station's broadcast of a TV report critical of Ciller, a close U.S. ally who had come under criticism for stonewalling investigations into collusion between state security forces and Turkish criminal elements. Miraculously, no one was injured in the attack, but the headquarters of Independent Flash TV were left pock-marked with bullet-holes and smashed windows. The gunfire also sent an unmistakable message to Turkish journalists and legislators: don't challenge Ciller and other high-level Turkish officials when they cover up state secrets.

For several months, Turkey had been awash in dramatic disclosures connecting high Turkish officials to the right-wing Grey Wolves, the terrorist band which has preyed on the region for years. In 1981, a terrorist from the Grey Wolves attempted to assassinate Pope John Paul II in Vatican City. But at the center of the mushrooming Turkish scandal is whether Turkey, a strategically placed NATO country, allowed mafiosi and right-wing extremists to operate death squads and to smuggle drugs with impunity. A Turkish parliamentary commission is investigating these new charges.

The rupture of state secrets in Turkey also could release clues to other major Cold War mysteries. Besides the attempted papal assassination, the Turkish disclosures could shed light on the collapse of the Vatican bank in 1982 and the operation of a clandestine pipeline that pumped sophisticated military hardware into the Middle East -- apparently from NATO stockpiles in Europe -- in exchange for heroin sold by the Mafia in the United States.

(snip)

A Vatican Mystery

Italian magistrates described the network they had uncovered as the "world's biggest illegal arms trafficking organization." They linked it to Middle Eastern drug empires and to prestigious banking circles in Italy and Europe. At the center of this operation, it appeared, was an obscure import-export firm in Milan called Stibam International Transport. The head of Stibam, a Syrian businessman named Henri Arsan, also functioned as an informant for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, according to several Italian news outlets.



MUCH MORE AT LINK -- A MUST READ.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:38 PM
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73. VERY interesting and IMPORTANT!

This very much summarizes the nature of the beast.

:kick:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:45 PM
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79. thanks -- i've been running into turkish fascism EVERYWHERE since reading on this subject.
been following the story since the beginning, but have only now started reading tangential stuff. it's fascinating -- and prolly instructive as to the nature of fascism as it is rearing it's head here.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:50 PM
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67. RAND Corp + Turkey + Richard Pearle + Elliot Abrams -->>
http://rastibini.blogspot.com/2008/01/no-conspiracies-here.html

(not sure what to make of this, but thought it was interesting -- brook)

Saturday, January 05, 2008
NO CONSPIRACIES HERE

"Although the institute calls itself a "non-partisan policy research organization," scholars at Hudson consistently reveal an ideological agenda in their work."
~ Hudson Institute entry at Right Web.


Hevallo brings up a good point to remember about the recent Amed bombing and the development of the situation in North Kurdistan in the last few months:


Remember the Hudson Institute 'Scenarios'?

Where the Turkish military was exposed going through all sorts of different 'scenarios' in the right wing 'think tank' in the US earlier in the year. And the leaked reports about US/Turkish 'special operations' in South Kurdistan.

My guess is that all these 'scenarios' that have so far been carried out, Beytussebap, bombings of Qandil and now this Diyarbakir bomb are all pieces of pre planned campaign, to justify not only the severe repression of the Kurdish Freedom Movement in Turkey, that is at its strongest in history but also to gain support for and justify a military invasion of South Kurdistan.

At the beginning of the year it sounded like a conspiracy theory, Turkey and the US plotting to invade Kurdistan and grab Kurdish oil. But now it seems all too plausible.



Who was sitting with the Paşas and the same Americans who faked all the "intelligence" for the Iraq War and now attempt to bullshit their way to a war in Iran? Qubad Talabanî, whose father lectures Northern Kurds to support the AKP. So you have to ask yourself what kind of deal the Southern Kurdish leadership has cut with both the Americans and the Turks at the expense of the Kurdish people.

...

If you take the time to actually read the Hudson Institute entry at Right Web, you'll see names that repeat over and over in neocon circles, such as Norman Podhoretz, Meyrav Wurmser, Elliot Abrams, Francis Fukuyama, Richard Perle, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), Center for Security Policy, Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), and the RAND Corporation--filth all.

Goran at Zanetî has something new up about the US-Turkey relationship. Among other facts, he mentions that which very few bother to mention:



The complicity of the United States and NATO in the oppressive policies of the Turkish State may come as a surprise to many. The moral support or even the billions of dollars worth of weapons during the Cold War era are not the only things that were provided to Turkey. The U.S. military through the hundreds of their advisors actively trained the same Turkish military, Special Forces and intelligence services that carried out the vast array of human rights abuses that continue to this day. In more recent times, the U.S. continues to extend their support through Joint Combined Exchange Training led by U.S. Special Forces. The human rights abuses including the “numerous violations of the laws of war, including village destruction, indiscriminate fire, and ‘disappearances’" carried out by the Turkish Special Forces - trained by the U.S. forces - have been carefully documented by various groups such as the Human Rights Watch (HRW).(11) The serious war crimes, which could be questionably labeled as acts of genocide, committed by these U.S.-backed Turkish forces have been condemned by the HRW and reports recommend that such forces should not be deployed in Kurdish civilian regions.




Now think about that in light of Hevallo's point about the planning that went on at the Hudson Institute.

Nor is Hevallo alone in wondering if there are "any journalists or editors left in this world that have enquiring minds"; so does Axin Arbili at The Conservative Voice:


Despite all the deceptions and lies spread by Turkish and Western governments, and by so-called independent journalists or political analysts, the truth and reality is quite different: The Turkish army is not fighting terrorism, it is bombing the Kurdish resistance against Turkish tyranny and oppression.
...

The West prefers to believe in a friendly Turkey and supports it financially and militarily. Turkey is, after Egypt and Saudi Arabia, the third-largest recipient of US military aid. US tax monies finance Turkey in its dirty war against a defenceless people.

The Kurdish resistance and liberation leader, Abdullah Öcalan, was captured by the US secret services and handed over to the Turks. How strange that at the same time, the West supports two million Muslims in seceding from Serbia and establishing a second Albania.

Even more outrageous is the West's support of the Arabs, who call themselves Palestinians, in establishing a 23rd Arab state; notwithstanding that it is to be carved out of ancestral and biblical Jewish territory. The injustices done to the Kurds, whose history and legitimate claims to an independent, sovereign state infinitely transcends those of the so-called Palestinian Arabs. But Kurdish aspirations are ignored.



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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:32 PM
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32. This may give Waxman the cover he needs.
This is encouraging news.

Ides
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:33 PM
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33. note- UK libel laws are much nastier than ours- why not named
they don't have the 1st Amendment rights our press fails to use. I imagine the paper didn't want to get hauled into court.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:45 PM
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39. ! kick. lukery link on uruknet
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 10:01 PM by orleans
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:31 PM
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40. Check out what Sibel put on her website
She calls it the State Secrets Privilege Gallery. :D

http://www.justacitizen.com/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:51 PM
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41. A MILLION THANKSTO LARISSA
for her persistence in addressing this (and other) monsters,

and INFINITE THANKS TO SIBEL.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:22 AM
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42. Kick for the late night crowd. n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 07:11 AM
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44. lala_rawraw!!
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 07:12 AM by Swamp Rat
:hug: :patriot: :loveya: :kick:


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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:51 AM
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49. swampy:)
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 07:41 AM
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46. K&R
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:54 AM
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48. kick (nt)
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:35 PM
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51. K&R
n/t
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:37 PM
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52. K&R - Keep it UP - spread it around. nt
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:39 PM
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53. K and R for TRUTH!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:40 PM
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54. K & R!
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:41 PM by TheGoldenRule
:kick:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:50 PM
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55. Kick. (nt)
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interthoughts Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:43 PM
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63. 45 and The Story of Stuff
45! Do you know what that number represents?

That is the incredibly small number of results returned by Google News when searching for: sibel edmonds. Don't believe me? Try it yourself: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=sibel+edmonds&btnG=Search

If you want to understand why this is the case, check out this excellent short movie called "The Story of Stuff"
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:04 PM
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70. G$$gle is now a big corporation so...you know what I mean.
I'm searching for a new Search Engine,they make me sick!And my machine is blocking almost all their ads.

BTW:Welcome to DU! :)
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:59 PM
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64. K&R
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:18 PM
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65. Hey Larisa, in addition to Henry Kissinger, how about these names?
James Baker III?

Sam Brownback?

Richard Armitage?

And last, but certainly not least...

Dick Cheney?

http://www.counterpunch.org/edmonds11292006.html

P.S. How about adding AACC (American Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce) as one of the few phrases to play around with?
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:14 PM
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71. His last name begins with an E...
Dr Evil? :shrug:

But seriously,thanks for posting this great article.

Americans are living in dangerous times and Sibel Edmonds is very brave.A true patriot.:patriot:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:19 PM
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72. kick and...
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:50 PM
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74. More proof that the Corporate Media = Pravda
All is well, comrades.....Read more about Brittany and a blonde killed in Aruba!
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:28 PM
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76. K&R!
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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:40 PM
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77. Kick, but can't R. n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:05 PM
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78. Doesn't Murdock own the London Times?
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