There is not a giant corporate pig running the world, there is...

TWO! (My comments below were written in response to a post made in DU-DP}

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"Unfortunately for your point of view, the installation of Stupid into office twice was orchestrated precisely by the people the framers found most capable of steering the ship of state, the more monied classes who owned the greater and more profitable part of the country."
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First the masses one. If a large number of the masses did not support Bush then who cast the ballots(the real ones) for him. Further more who are these people that at one point gave him over 60% approval ratings, who are the 20 million who listen to Limbug? And the others who watch O'reilly, read Coulter. Yes, the elections were stolen I think, but they didn't have to tamper with more than 1% of the tally, in which case 50% of the electorate fit the stupid smelly masses category in 2004(I will allow some slop over of honest mistake for 2000, by some)

Now as to the monolithic CORPORATE Structure of which you speak. Nothing and I mean nothing is further from the truth: Nothing monolithic in the least. At present it is two disparate groups, who absolutely hate one another. Conventional corporations, the retailers, the consumer manufacturers, the shippers in short the American Can, Johnson & Johnson general Foods, Procter & Gambles profit greatest on the status quo, on stability, when it is stable and they are top dog they can control prices, and precisely compute risks , all sorts of business stuff...in a stable world they thrive and prosper as obscenely as the second group does in times of instability. The second group are johnny-come-latelys, the true money and power behind the Neo-CONS. Dallas financials, Halliburton and all its myriad subsidiaries, rogue petroleum billionaires, and at least half of the major defense contractors from the old days. these people need wars, they need disruption of the status quo in order to steal the national treasuries blind by maintaining control of governments through the spreading of fear amongst the populaces.

This shadowy corporate war is going to enter the daylight if there is the slightest chance that another Neo-CON stooge or sympathizer will be elected. Why do you think Bloomberg is holding meetings and such? Why are so many obvious old corporate types or their political stooges gathering? This is the group for the stability, and old status quo. They are out to absolutely decimate the radicals and once again regain control of the piggy bank. Well if all that is true then it is just pigs of differing flavors. No, the old boys new enough to realize that if you squeeze the goose to hard it will die, the old corps know that if you maintain the goose on at least some semblance of a balanced diet it theoretically will continue to lay forever.

Personally I have come to the conclusion that at this moment our goose is starting to turn brown and if we aren't removed from the oven now we will be consumed to the last morsel and the Neo-CON corps will move on to other nations and continue the warring and pillaging.

Some might call this all conspiracy crap, I don't, it's just good old fashioned business! We need the help and the money of the old corps in order to rid the planet of the Cheney and the people who own him. We can deal with the oldtime fatcats at our leisure. We must first survive!

those "older corps" are not our friends...and the election fraud is beyond huge. I saw some reports proving upwards of 5 million votes in 2004.

Old boss, new boss...we need a new system if all we can hope for is to be screwn by someone else.

The neocons aren't bowing out- they bought the presidency, after all, from their perspective.

Bet me we'll quit being an imperial nation if we do what you want. We've never been otherwise, and our success is built on the bodies we crushed.

The idea of investing in the prosperity of America is dead. Foreigners own too many of the old companies and we cannot count on them.

We just didn't come up with the same Rose-Colored conclusion you did. We don't want to live in the Matrix.

If you are happy there, stay there.

But this type of hyper-anger response is usually a pretty good indication of how the Truth you so desperately want to wish away scares the Hell out of you.

Sorry you can't face it. I can't say I blame you.

... a clash of the titans...fracture from within....but I don't think the clash I imagine is the one we will get.