Does anyone truly believe this isn't just a sick joke?

This election fraud has been going on for years, and it never stops. Never stops. And nothing gets done, and the sheeple bury their heads.

I'm so disgusted -- the shock is the same as 2000 and 2004, even though this election was just a miniscule primary. The shock comes from the ugly monster raising its head again, and everyone pretending it doesn't exist.

I mean, why even participate? What the F* can we do? I know, I know... I'll continue doing what I can, but that's how depressed I feel right now.

In NH, only candidates can challenge an election (or so I read). So why doesn't Kucinich or Edwards or even Gravel challenge this sucker and blow it out of the water? What do they have to lose?

By my accounting, according to the Rasmussen poll taken yesterday, there was a 17 or 18 point swing in ONE DAY. We are supposed to buy that? Some news organizations are calling this the greatest shocker in the history of American politics. We are supposed to buy that too?

Hey, WHAT HAS Rove been up to? (Per another thread). This is a great way to split the Dems right down the center -- have them thrash out an election fraud issue he engineered. Beautiful.

I'm sick of this shit.

still a long way to go.

I'm an Edwards guy. The issue is ELECTION FRAUD, no matter who won.

:shrug:

in the result? :shrug:

It's the same to me if Obama or Clinton win this one or any of them for that matter.

I DO NOT want to wake up to another UNELECTED Republican president.

how does a dem winning in N.H. have anything to do with the GE which is months away? I don't get it.

In other words, it will still be hackable when they try to steal it for Huckabee or Romney.

It's not about Clinton or Obama. It's about winning again and having it stolen in 2008 -- for me, in any case.

when it's so early. Why not make the same claim on the repuke side?

I would bet if Obama or Edwards wins in another primary NO ONE will say one word about an election being fixed. I'd bet my entire bank account on it.

See? The anomaly was only in this one race.

And, the reason to "spout off" about it is that if there is a problem, we have to find it as soon as possible or we'll be dealing with it come November.

And, you'd likely lose you bank account so I won't take you up on that even though it's January, lol, and I could use the cash. :)

I do think that majority of the reason that many are screaming 'foul' is because Hillary surprised folks and won. There was a shift in the votors of N.H. and the stats coming out say that Hillary owes her win to the women of that state.

Here in TN they were way off on Ford. They thought he would lose big here. Instead he lost by a slim margin which can put this state into play if Obama wins the nomination. If Hillary gets it...I think this state will go red.

Anyway, I think a lot of folks changed their minds about her. :)

If this is as bad as it looks, we better come up with a plan because I cannot look at Huckabee without wanting to HURL.

LOL

no matter who the dem is. :)

And yeah...Huckabee makes me hurl, too. I think he'll do well in the south.

In fact, this was a great test run for them, a great opportunity to get the bugs out during a real election. Fine-tuning it so the 'fix' in November will go smoothly.

If no one contests/exposes it now, it's ready for November.

They are good to go. Now all we need is a reprise of the NYTs telling us that internet rumors were quicky put to rest.

:scared:

are dirty.

1) It's a practice run for the general election. How much swing can the electorate handle without calling foul and,
2) They are using HRC, because she is the most divisive of the candidates, thereby, not requiring much explanantion when the Rethugs win in the general.

This isn't about HRC, this isn't about HRC, this isn't about HRC!!!!!!! Get that through your thick skull, please.

A shift in polling numbers that we saw today is so eerily reminiscent of 2004, it's a no brainer as to why this is coming up. If the folks who are just too happy with their girl decide to notice the wart on their collective noses (Diebold) it would be a damn site more helpful.

Election fraud. It has nothing to do with NH, nothing to do with "months away"!

and I am fine with whomever won- as long as they won fair and square. Why did Edwards never waver from 17% all night? Why was there an 18% spread? Hillary is and has been the GOP choice all along- Edwards and Obama were not in the horizon for them- we've all known this. They've been preparing to beat Hillary so it was important for them to make sure she remains viable. I'm not comfortable with how this turned out- not saying fraud- just saying something is not right when the numbers are like this.

And for those who think this is "Sour Grapes" because our candidates didn't win, that's a load of crap. Questioning poll numbers and bizarre results such as these- especially when we're talking about Diebold machines and only one race being totally out of whack- is not only called for, it is mandatory.

I went to sleep last night feeling horrible about this result knowing something doesn't seem right.

This morning I called to congratulate my mom on her candidate's victory and it felt terrible because I have too many questions.

:(

Edwards registered just about exactly what the pre-election surveys said he would. Never have I complained in this post about unfairness to Edwards. It is about ELECTION FRAUD. Duh.

when there are still 48 states left to go. Why? I don't get it. It makes no sense why the Dem primary in N.H. was fixed, but not the repuke side. No one is saying the repuke side of it was fixed.

So, explain it to me.

..... are you thick or just acting like it?

The influence of the Iowa and NH results are hugely disproportionate to their share. Anyone who wins Iowa AND/OR NH has a huge chance to win the whole thing.

In politics, there's this thing called momentum, and it is very valuable. Obama just lost his momentum and while I'm not ready to claim it is fraud it is incredibly dubious given the polling.

There is something wrong when polls and exit polls worked for decades and now they aren't worth a bucket of warm spit.

This is Obama's first test. If he doesn't at least look into this, he doesn't deserve to be president anyway.

The recordbreaking swing in votes and the Diebold machines (remember, they're the ones that can switch votes easily. I commented a few months ago that I felt this was all sewn up for HRC, because she was willing to lie in bed with the Diebold dogs and damn the fleas.

IT's pretty pathetic. Funny, in a way, but mostly pathetic.

When the Democrats took the House & Senate. I would never trust any poll, especially Rasmussen. It's early yet, no need to get discouraged if your candidate didn't win tonite, there's a long way to go.

Didn't you hear about the Florida race? Didn't you read the estimates that the Dems would take 35 House seats and ended up with 20, with all the skewing occuring in a "red-shift" manner?

I am beginning to suspect that simply showing up to vote in large numbers scares the regime much more than the actual vote. They can always corrupt intentions later, and feel safer doing so when few are watching.

some get spun by the M$M -- and, if you had ever worked a campaign before, you should know this. Sometimes it's to your advantage -- other times, voters decide they'll do what they want regardless of what is expected of them.

You are just further embarrassing your candidate by exposing your naiveté about how things work.

Most polls were RIGHT ON THE MONEY. Except those involving Hillary and Obama. Now what does that say???

Like any other less than perfect result....

And, no matter who wins, at least you can feel good about yourself.

What's next? Gravity?

lol

"-- older voters are overwhelmingly outnumbering younger voters -- a proportion that is clearly benefiting Clinton," Schneider said. "Sixty-seven percent of Democratic primary voters are over the age of 40, and they are breaking heavily for Clinton over Obama."

tpm has a nice aggregator. A single poll, taken on a single day, shows nothing but a snapshot. Maybe that poll called too many of one side's supporters? That is whyyou use tracking polls or aggregators, which, over the past five days, show an average of about three points for hrc

How does one demonstrate an opinion poll is "correct"?

I hope you aren't working for Edwards because we need thinking people.

Read my lips. 18 point swing in one day. ELECTION FRAUD.

You have not done so; you have merely chanted an incantation. Nor have you provided any answer to my question.

But it hardly suffices to carry the argument.....

"All men of reason are men of violence at heart."

he didn't have a horse in the race

i don't have a horse in the race yet. i'm a disappointed gore-girl. i haven't decided who to vote for (obama is my senator, clinton is from around here, edwards is closest to kucinich and kucinich is closest to gore. so i'm undecided.)

and this polling being so off between clinton and obama is FREAKING ME OUT TOO. not because i wanted obama to win. or because i didn't want hillary to win. but because we've been all through this -- election year after election year. exit polls wrong. daily tracking polls wrong. internal polls from obama & clinton camp--apparently both showing her between 8-12 points behind, WRONG. and DIEBOLD is hard at work again.

signing petitions and writing letters to our representatives about vote fraud....we have no real representation. From the minute the media started shoving hrc down our throats I knew the dye had been cast and we're being screwed, again. The obama win was an aberration, a fluke or a set up to make us think things are really on the up and up.

The results tallied closely to exit polling ... so fraud is extremely unlikely this time. MSNBC noted that in recent times, whenever polls have been this far off, race was involved. I really don't want to believe that hypothesis. It makes me feel kinda icky.

I am not an Obama supporter. Frankly, I think the man is trying to blow massive amounts of sunshine up our collective butts. I could be way wrong about that, tho ... I'm just really hoping that race does not play a significant factor in how this plays out. If it does, we haven't come as far as many of us hoped/thought.

Likely. Very likely. Still, my stomache did a flip flop during that little discussion by Chuck Todd.

all those "values voters" that no one could ever produce for Bush?

And, as far as I can remember, there was no race issue in the Bush/Kerry OH contest where pretty much the same thing happened. Or, the Gore/Bush contest in FL.

about war?

machines, what are you worried about? We will have a Dem in the White House for at least the next 8 years.

The corporations stop ripping us off blind, and we stop exporting jobs overseas, and, global warming is addressed, and, we stop our wars for oil. Yea, I could handle that.

But that wasn't my point. And my point wasn't Hillary winning. It was ELECTION FRAUD.

elections for years now. What makes you believe they'll let go of the White House in the first place?

But I still think it was rigged. That leaves a lot of ground for speculation.

knock her down?

Another is that they tear the Dems in two fighting over the issue.

This is classic Rove. Fight me and you lose, don't fight me and you lose.

probably not a good idea. Just wait for the eventual nominee and take it.

And, why not? They get away with everything.

than I am about WHO they are manipulating for. They are dying to run against Hillary, imho. It makes election fraud a lot easier if you can point to ten reasons why someone "lost". Don't mistake me. In a fair election, I think any of our top tier candidates could wipe the floor with any of theirs.

But, the fact that we accept such an irrational result concerns me so much more because -- well, look who's running for the Republicans. Three dirt bags. Which one do you want to call CIC?

/oops

In the primary season of 1980, a great many Democrats, professionals particularly, were looking forward to the Republicans nominating Reagan, sure that he would be easy meat....

Not my choice but, that's not the point, I think.

I DO NOT want to see our landslide stolen and explained away and the theft accepted again.

In both the last two national elections, the things were very close-run affairs, and depended on complete control of key states the enemy now lacks. Vigilance should certainly be maintained, but not to such a pitch that it recoils upon ourselves, like one of those auto-immune disorders where the protective mechanisms go hay-wire and begin to assault a person's own tissues.

lol

Now, if you'll excuse me, Sir, I must go walk the perimeter. :)

"Out here on the perimeter there are no stars. Out here we is stone. Immaculate...."

They've been helping elect our presidents since November 22, 1963.

Seems too many DUers only believe in it when it suits them.

Mark Crispin Miller's blog when you get a chance. He's been writing about it all night. I'm just sort of too stunned to read but, he's sent out a bunch of mail, fyi.

I'm convinced. It's rigged!

I thought I saw something last Sunday that said CO was revamping their system.

The secretary of state Repuglican Mike Coffman Threw out all voting machines except Diebold. :crazy: Color me paranoid.

and it came in a little black box.

ha! }(

Guess we all thought that the overwhelming support for dems would make it harder to fix the results, but guess the thugs are so damn desperate and determined they'll brazenly do what ever it takes to get the results they want.

I have a sick feeling in my stomach. :puke:

That means President Huckabee....
:puke:

Pretty hard to rig.

NH is the first primary state - using secret ballots counted in the back room/privately.

for years.

:eyes:

Stolen. Stolen right in front of your lying eyes.

The tools that keep crying election fraud whenever their candidate doesn't win, do make for some entertaining reading.

God, I love the internets!!!

Why bother bickering over candidates and putting a huge effort into their campaigns if you think the election is going to be rigged anyway?

As posted above, I am beginning to suspect that simply showing up to vote in large numbers scares the regime much more than the actual vote. Maybe it is as simple as safety in large numbers. Voting is the public protest that can not be put in a cage.

carefully for election fraud or, to wake up to President Romney is a "startling, historic upset" that no one can explain?

No one can account for Bush's vapor voters to this day.