Last Night Was No Big Deal

Hillary can try to spin it as some great "comeback". The media can overexaggerate this as the "biggest political comeback in history", which they have done. Facts are she won a neighboring state to her own and a state that tends to vote for the "safe" pick as they did with McCain. Let's also not forget how small NH is as a whole and how few delegates they give to the winner.

I think that while the Nevada and South Carolina primaries will be interesting the real barometer will be if she cleans up in the larger states on February 5th.

I personally think that this will be a fractured primary with Obama winning some states, Clinton winning some and Edwards winning a few as well and as much as most people bemoan the early dates at which this process is moving forward, this could play out well into the later primaries (which I am hoping occurs because my primary vote isn't until 2/19).

For those of us that do not want anything resembling another Clinton/DLC reign there is hope that other states will swing this election away from Hillary. If you think of Edwards and Obama as similar in message (if not approach) then you can take away from last night that close to 60% of the voters on the Democratic side voted against Hillary and the status quo.

After either Obama or Edwards drop out, the supporters of change will have just one candidate and Hillary cannot battle that deeper into the primaries.

So this will play out for awhile. Consider last night a brief blip on the radar because NH doesn't represent that big of a win overall when delegates are counted and all the real major states are coming up.

If she starts sweeping on the 5th, then we need to be worried.

Rp

The results show that Senator Clinton is still a contender. There will actually *be* campaigns in Nevada and South Carolina because of this. If Senator Clinton had lost, it would have been stick-a-fork-in-her time.

Hillary finishes second there and she's still in this race especially with her home state and other large states in play just two weeks from now. If she had finished 2nd here through SC, she's still viable going into the major states where she's favored and has more personal exposure.

Rp

I grieved all day yesterday for her loss. I thought the election would be over last night...but it isn't. Now we can have more time to take a breath. I
was finding the talk of Messiah and the mania scary...more like a phenomenon and it makes me nervous.

A big deal, indeed...whether we like the results of last night or not...which I do. But now we look to a really viable primary until Super Tuesday.

Tell me: why should we be worried? This escapes me.

Especially if we juxtapose a candidate's views versus the party's platform.

Rp

But I don't think we're talking about the same candidate.

Be that as it may, since Michigan got castrated, we up here kinda look on the rest of the primaries and get really pissed off.

Hillary was expected to lose by anywhere from 7% to 15% or more. She won.

Sounds like a comeback to me. No spin required.

Your post, on the other hand....

You'd have to be DeeDee Myers to think she wasn't a frontrunner the entire time and all the way up until just 2-3 days back. She might have slipped a little but if anyone expected a landslide they had unrealistic expectations and an unreal view of NH's voters.

Rp

If you did, let's see proof. Fitting your "facts" to the results after the fact is easy. Everyone can do that.

New Hampshire is NOT a neighboring state to NY. Vermont, MASS, CT, NJ, PA are.

Although it's not as if NY and MA media doesn't leak into NH.

NY media in NH? you would have to show me which NY media outlets are received routinely in NH. I have a hard enough time getting the NY channels on my cable in Connecticut.

I don't live there so I will admit I am likely wrong and assuming. Although it seems on a daily basis we're always getting NY media nationwide anyway.

Rp

I used to live closer to Manhattan and we got all the local news - now, not so much. The only reporting you see of HRC is on the national news because of her candidcy - not because of her record in the Senate.

PS: these posts were not meant as a flame to you - i am tired of the nastiness on this board - just trying to point out a factual "error" in a nice way :toast:

"no big deal" :rofl:

There are quite a few Democrats that wholeheartedly embrace DLC rule, in fact I venture to say the majority of this site you are on now, does.

And NH is a HUGE win, now momentum is firmly on the side of Clinton, obvious questions are raised about the viability of Obama after a massive epic collapse in his support from even 48 hours prior.

Beyond that Edwards is now quickly becoming irrelevant.

New Hampshire was huge.

The first woman to win a primary, ever, and the one that Bill never got, at that. And the base came out in droves...the exit polls and other numbers say so. This time, the pundits and the polls got it dead wrong in the days leading up to the vote. That's even more surprising.

with the second-place finish going to a Black Man? Plus an upset result? "No Big Deal"?

Wow. Just. Wow. :crazy: