Look some people are actually accusing some of Clinton supporters committing fraud

This is low.

Don't blame of Diebold. Yes, the machine can be rigged.
The devil is in 'can be rigged'.

What is most disturbing is the fact some people are accusing the fellow Democrats of fraud.

Please, dear reasonable Obama supporter, tell those people to stop.
Why do you think Rush is picking up this. Because it makes some Obama supporters as nut case at the same time adding another 'supposed crimes' to his Clinton crime list.

Machine cannot commit fraud. Human has to be involved. Some people are accusing Clinton supporters of fraud. That's quite offensive.

Please come back to senses.

Hertopos

Why is it we aren't using paper ballots yet?

Because the subject is nonsense. If Diebold was used the results will always be suspect. Also becuase I have seem more threads decrying how terrible obama supporters are for mentioning this than I have seen actual 'Obama was cheated' threads.

I am not an Obama supporter, I see Obama and Hillary as far too similar in terms of policy. I like Kucinich and maybe Edwards. I also like fair and transparent elections.

I whole heartedly support 'election reform'.

However, even paper ballot is not fool proof.

Paper of machine, a human has to rig the result.
This is the point I am making.

This is not about election reform.
This is about some Obama supporters accusing Clinton supporters of committing fraud. And that is outrageous.

This is really counter productive to Obama campaign.
Though I am inclined to Hillary right now, I do love to here more detailed plan from Obama.

Please stop this insanity.

Hertopos

Yes, but the noise is louder than the signal in this case. I have seen at least as many threads decrying Obama supporters for questioning this. And half of the people I see posting really aren't supporting Obama.

In short if all you are interested in is Clinton beating Obama then I guess you can just pump out this kind of post.

But I would ask when we are going to bring up and get election reform? If there are problems with these machines, when would you like to have that fixed now? Or in November?

I don't care who appears to win. I don't care if the computer gives Dennis Kucinich a majority in New Hampshire (as much fun as it might be) I still want the votes counted properly and fairly.

I myself am completely fed up and tired of those "Get-over-it-we-lost" (Liberman) Democrats back from 2000 and 2004, and I don't ever want to see those sorry sacks of feces polluting the airwaves again.

campaign cheated. Anyone with me?

and I'll stick by that. Thanks.

However, regarding the DIEBOLD machines, I do find it frustrating that they're still being used, given how easy it is to hack them.

is all the Clintons have to do but they eventually are set to be the biggest victims ever. I think since we have not accomplished enough to stop ANYONE from tampering that the sole challenge can come from proper polling, which also has not been vetted for trust. Not enough for sure.

This is a lose lose accusation which the Dem establishment has forced on us as well as the GOP. It poisons and discourages whether true or not. True or not no one is very good after all this time at catching or proving much of anything. All the belated, meager media acknowledgment of fraud is deliberately TOO LATE again. Say this, you lose. Say that, you lose. say nothing, you lose. The machinery is still there, the corporate media still AWOL, the doubts only able to further hurt the victims- namely any and all Dems in any order that GOP fraud may choose with some recent limitations here and there.

Only saying something after your candidate has lost doesn't even sound serious. All we have left is exit polls. I suggest campaigns look to them and speak up without spin.

I am one of those people who are very convinced that OH election was rigged.
Again, it all come from my knowledge on exit poll, which as been most accurate prediction tool based on real result.

Your argument therefore does not hold since if it is rigged then someone has done!!

So, instead of honestly admitting that you are accusing Clinton supporters, you want to include people such as Republicans, right?

The timing is just inappropriate at best. In my opinion, it is just plain offensive.

Hertopos

Absolutely agree with you there. I was speaking of the off year one when the ballot amendments defeated looked suspicious from limited newspaper polling but in the voting booth people were handed a regular pamphlet of verbiage in which case the tendency is to rush and vote them all down.

The first instinct then was to compare the really studied and egregious 2004 fraud with the amendment initiative results. People were rightfully suspicious and hopping mad by then but it appeared less certain and they looked apples and oranges at least as far as proof was concerned. The main result of the palpable fraud is people jumping upon any results of any election using these machines. You should anyway to get the point across they have no claim to confidence at all by their nature.

When no one is prepared and no evidence is really there to the Ohio 2004 extent(name it, it was done!) it points out that one effect of vote fraud is still succeeding. Namely that there is no faith in democracy while these things exist. Meanwhile, the NH privatized Diebold system chugs merrily along hiding behind the victors chanting sour grapes- who will get reamed in the fall to some extent for sure.

The scary thing is that no campaign can stop and concentrate on the security of this patchwork fraud system. Nothing after the fact either and you can bet under a small state microscope anything left to render people suspicious can only be a tease. Obama's premature big idea was that a multitude of voters would tsunami the fall. Well, goodbye millions of mandate votes then, at least. At least this has got us thinking, too late for practically anything except punching ourselves.

Ohio 2004. I was telling everyone it was stolen with whatever facts(there were many) I had. Since then I have learned more and the party leadership less. The off year ballot initiative might have been tampered too. Any update on that?

People are raising valid concerns over vapor voting, and the Clinton campaign didn't program the machines or count the votes.

This is a sad day indeed :(

Nobody is accusing Clinton of fraud. They are questioning "outside" forces jacking with the voting apparatus.
There are more people that want to see Clinton elected than Clinton.
They are NOT Democrats.