ABC's Polling Director: "It is simply unprecedented for so many polls to have been so wrong."

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Pollsters flummoxed by New Hampshire primary

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hillary Clinton's victory in New Hampshire's Democratic presidential nominating contest confounded pollsters, who found themselves trying to explain how opinion polls got it so wrong. Chastened experts said on Wednesday they would have to closely analyze their forecasts against the results of the New Hampshire primaries to learn why they were so right about resurgent John McCain's win on the Republican side but so wrong about Clinton's win among the Democrats.

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But ABC's polling director Gary Langer wrote in his blog at http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/ that he doubted the wrong results would trace back to race.

He said pollsters need to look not just at factors like race but at "their own failings in sampling and likely voter modeling."

"It is simply unprecedented for so many polls to have been so wrong. We need to know why," he said.

This is fucking bullshit.

Let's study the polls...gosh...maybe they didn't take FRAUD into account, morans! Nope. It must be the youthful pollsters, must be bad questions, must be people trying to trick the pollsters. FUCKING SHIT! Why isn't there one "journalist" on the planet who will address the issue of fraud? It's not like there isn't a certain history under BushCo or anything!

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If it was really a problem, don't you think it would be logical for him to make stink about it?

Remember the Sore Loserman meme?

This is why election mechanics HAVE to be worked out BEFORE a single vote is cast..

afterwards, it's too late.


The "strategery" is diabolically brilliant..

Our Bushies are using a psychologically-designed template that makes Hitler's look like some kindergarten bullies.

We're in trouble, the worst possible kind...as a nation we are ruled by the Lawless, and there is no worse fate for formerly free people.

Winners long before 95% of the votes were in.

All this has to stop.

We need transperency in elections. And we need to have the vote in totally. 100%

And candidates should not concede until every single vote is counted.

If it works for our Canadian neighbors to the north, how hard can it be?

primary victories, and yet cannot complain because he will be viewed as a sore loser, yet cannot win because of systematic fraud.

If that's the case he no reason to continue his campaign.

Seems like pretty tortured logic.

is not going to be able to bring up discrepancies, without "some/most" people bringing the "sore-loser" aspect into their inquiry. that's ALL I was saying..

Why does he keep taking people's money if he knows the game is rigged for Hillary?

If that's the case he is engaged in fraudulent activities as well.

They love the game.. they stay to play as long as they can.. and voters are a fickle bunch..

Mostof the people running are hanging on to their "day jobs", and being paid by us while they run, so why NOT keep running..

remember Dean went into New Hampshire way ahead in the polls, and again, there was this miraculous turn around in favour of Kerry...and ummm, the votes were counted on Diebold..

just a thought.

peace

plus following the ron paul people...

all paper ballots and hand counting = paul with 15%


its the tabulation machines counted votes that are suspect.

tabulation machine = obama lost
all tabulation machine = paul with 9%

Bingo.

I bring it up because I was talking to a group of people today that were having a great time talking about it. They are between the ages of 70 and 86 three quarters of which are Dems or Indies. It was an enlightening and well hilarious. All the Dems and Indies except one were talking about how they purposely lie to pollsters because they are sick and tired of them. The Repubs were surprised at it. It then went into how unfair the media are to the Dems and how they enjoyed doing anything they could to make both the pollsters and media look bad. The one that hadn't thought of it was shaking her head laughing while getting tips on how to sound convincing so she could start doing it too.
These are the people at home to take calls from pollsters too. Well unless they are at exercise class like today.

why weren't they wrong? The problem is, just because they say it 'DOES NOT MAKE IT SO' only on Star Trek.

With the heads up republican ass you can't expect them to know what's going on in the real world.

"It is simply unprecedented for so many polls to have been so wrong. We need to know why," he said...."


Because there was an unprecedented turnout?

Cafferty File: Here is the question. 4 p.m.: Behind by double digits in several last-minute polls, why was Hillary Clinton able to come back and win the New Hampshire primary? Here is my letter and my answer was verified on the ABC Evening News:

The news media and even The Situation Room during each hours segments had been doing everything they could to stop Hillary from being president.Some headlines:
Nobody Likes Hillary
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton
Hillary in Meltdown as Panic Grips Staff
Talk of Clinton Dropping Out
Hillary Braced for a Second Defeat
Drudge: Hillary Preparing to Drop Out
"Full-Blown Breakdown?"

Last night Hillary not only defeated Obama, she defeated the news media and CNN's Situation Room. The cable bastards and the mediawhore networks and talk radio will tell any clumsy lie necessary to discredit one of the Clintons.The Live free or die people did what I thought they would. They thought through the BS of the media and what is really going on.

What I loved best was watching the pundits talk about the polls and how far HRC was behind and them basically calling her campaign "dead in the water" without actually saying it. Then I sat up Tuesday night and watched the returns, and laughed my ass offas they tried to hide their puzzled expressions at her lead which never evaporated.

Sincerly,
Ben David

Oh and a few other things: Anyone those gop bastards hate as much as they hate HRC must have something going that scares the shit out of them.If nothing else, New Hampshire revealed how much media pundits know. It proves they're full of shit (yeah, I'm looking at you Chris Matthews). But maybe it's also evidence that we shouldn't make broad, sweeping judgments about a country of 290 million people, based on the vote of 230,000 people in Iowa

Ben David

Hillary beat :tinfoilhat:bama, Edwards and the national media at one time. i'm starting to think :tinfoilhat: is only in it to beat Hillary and then collect his rewards after losing in November when he gets to play the Alan Keyes role.

It truly frightens me. It reminds me of a third world dictatorship.

Obama got a post-Iowa bounce.
Some voters had a last-minute change of heart back to their earlier choice.
That sounds plausible to me. Obama still gained in NH, just not enough to overtake Clinton.

doesn't fit with the raw data of exit polling.

Even in the weighted exit polls those who decided at the last minute broke evenly.

But it's the raw data that knocks down the change of heart voting. At 5;30 Matthews was shown that the numbers showed a significant victory for Obama.

I don't mind the race, it's good to hone our nominee for November.

But I mind ignoring the machine problem because they'll be there waiting in November.

Unless, of course, you're old enough to remember Ohio in 2004 or Florida in 2000. But we don't speak of such things in the popular media. It just isn't done.

There are a bunch of Sufi stories (as I understand it) about an apocryphal character named Nasrudin. In most of them Nasrudin is something like the village idiot who does things that are characteristic of people's foibles.

So, in this story, Nasrudin's friends come along and find him looking around intently in the dirt and mud in the middle of the street. They ask him, "Nasrudin, what are you doing?"

"Looking for my keys. I lost them."

"Well, where did you lose them."

"Over there by the doorway."

"Well, then why are you looking for them out here?"

"The light is better here."

sent e-mails and still we find ourselves back at square one, Congress hasn't done shit about this either. This is a corrupt and faulty system and again it's an election year, we need our checks and balances to be restored, or this corrupt crap will continue.