If ESTABLISHMENT n Kerry supporting Obama what CHANGE is he likely to bring

Kerry and Obama are part of the congress which has earned a 11% approval rating from us (think it's now down to 8%) since the democrats took over congress.

If all the establishment characters are endorsing Obama, what change do you think we can expect !!!

That he is endorsing Obama.

Jeez. Kerry = progressive?

Voting records anyone?

Totally serious

seriously.

whie he went on droning and droning and watching


K & R

I love little liars. they provide amusement.

:rofl:

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the senators and establidhment that are for him.

Apparently he's going to keep the same old same old which makes them comfortable

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Here he went thru a campaign where the republicans smeared him all over the place, and he joins forces against a person who is receiving the same treatment. And the person he joined forces with is almost as bad at smearing as republicans. He has for ever lost the respect of a whole group of people here. And they are all clamoring to see how they can sign up to help his opponent in the next Mass senate race...So go figure. And what kind of respect is he going to have in the senate when Obama is blown away by Hillary.

The Clintons and the Edwards have been at least as guilty of nasty attacks. So, now you are saying that because he makes a positive endorsement of Obama, you want to kick him out of the Senate?

HRC showed him not respect at all when she called Kerry/Feingold "cut and run" and other such things. Now she repeats the words Kerry said then about needing leverage to get the Iraqis to make the tough political decisions. Maybe, she'll get Bill Clinton to say he was always for a deadline. Read "Hillary's War" from the NYT magazine section, she never gave Kerry any respect. But she will have to deal with him in the Senate - where he does have good committee assignments. (Not to mention - he had more to do with her "change" - S-CHIP than she did.)

"Fired Up! Ready to cave!" I can't see it. If change is what people want, of the top three only Edwards is really advocating it with ideas, policies and plans. I haven't seen anything of substance from Obama that I believe...

the "real" (progressive and willing to fight for the people)Junior Senator form Illinois would step forward.

So far it's been mostly cotton-candy "inspirational" speeches and pass-the-torch bullshit (which couldn't be more decietful coming from a person who is a Baby Boomer himself.)

I'm still holding out hope, but have become increasingly discouraged as this campaign has progressed.

I got disgusted with Bill Clinton's "ending welfare as we know it" and his pushing NAFTA. But the way things are going, even Hillary is beginning to look better than Obama.

And I was disappointed, as a constituent, in several of Edwards' votes and failure to rise to defend the Constitution (a failure shared by all but a few of "our" people in Congress.)

But at least Edwards is speaking out now, addressing issues which need to be addressed, and promising to fight the good fight. I'm about to decide in his favor, but I keep hoping Obama or even Hillary will finally screw his or her courage to the wall and take on the military/industrial complex and the corporations which are ruining this country.

A most discouraged Democrat

he's pretending he's not a boomer and pointing fingers at other people as boomers.

Thanks for the edit, NYCALIZ. Caught with my rhetorical pants down! :rofl:

:hi:

(just like Bush did) is one of the things I most dislike about Obama.

The more I look at him, the more I see GWB tactics/strategies.
I fear his followers are as blind as those who saw GWB as a solution.

his political advantage, which at least shows some political sense, if a lack of integrity and disdain for the common good.


If Obama is the nominee and effects a young-old split, casting his fate to the support of the younger generations of which he is not a part, he is going to go down in flames, taking the Democratic party with him.

When the time does come to pass the torch to a new generation, maybe it would be a good idea to pass it to a member of that generation, not one from the past generation claiming to represent it.

The original definition of Generation X was anybody born in the 1960's, which would include him.

of progressive action. Edwards doesn't. Edwards does have the talk, but the positions of the top three are remarkably the same.

needs to be thought about

establishment - the outsider....the guy who is NOT in Congress that we think sucks.

As far as I'm concerned we only have one party in congress...the demopublicans

and Obama is talking about consolidating that one party. happy bipartisanship - baloney...

he's going to and is selling us out

start googling Obama and find out some very unpleasant stuff about him and those he has surrounded himself with - one scary dude - dont read the puff pieces...there's other stuff that dem underground locked the thread

aren't you? And yeah, it looks like he will. Face it, Bernie is 100x the progressive populist Edwards is, was or ever could be.

My argument: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/WilliamPitt/391

those in schlock Broadway "inspirational" songs, and just as unlikely to bring about meaningful change.

...and rhetoric nowadays from all and sundry in this '08 race won't get that work done. We have to do it.

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I own no sites I'm aware of, and certainly didn't delete your comment, since I have no sites.

Link? This may be interesting...what does my site look like...?

No idea. :toast:

Fill me in, yo. No clue over here.

K.

does not detract for the years of service he has given this country

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up for him?

i think he should stay loyal to his beliefs.

the only reason I kept working for the campaign was Edwards.

I wouldn't even stay for Kerry's speeches.....but Edwards were overflowing and
electric. He was talking the same populism then that he is now...hasnt changed
flipflopped in 4 years.

Cant say that for "Taser" Kerry.

It really bothers me that the establishment is behind Obama. I was supicious of him from the git go without being able to pin point why.

If I'm not mistaken, after his big win in Iowa /New Hampshire (cant remember which- maybe its on google) after his speech
I heard him say, onto South CArolna, Nevada..24 states AND THE WORLD !

I found info by googlinhg he's part of the David Rockefeller Trilateral group -
the "New World Order" elites. GHW BUsh's organiztion, remember?

Now why would any candidate say AND THE WORLD ?????

Makes sense why the establishment would be behind Obama.

And Kerry the quitter, who hasnt even been the titular head of the dem party after his quitting without fighting ?

Yeah...that may not be such a great endorsement

Edwards wanted to fight.
Honestly, do people not see what's going on here?
"First they ignore you, then they mock you....."

insist that every vote be counted.

Based on what we now know, there were a lot of votes not counted, or counted incorrectly, and that allowed Bush another 4 years of war, lies, and corruption, as well as a renewal of the Patriot Act, and a lot of other abuses against America.

Personally, if I were running for office, I wouldn't want Kerry's endorsement. I supported him and voted for him, but he lost most of his credibility with me when he didn't stand firm against the GOP machine.

and inaccurate.



Since the 2004 election is being revisited, here are some facts


I know: If you were running for office, you "wouldn't want Kerry's endorsement."

You're not so it's a good thing that Kerry endorses Obama 2008!

how angry we were at him...so please dont count that as anything realistic

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With a Dem in the white house and a Dem majority in Congress, I think we'll see some Reps behave very differently. In a good way.

of the Republican party. They are true-believers and unlikely to change. The Southern-based Republican party may suffer a reduction in its numbers, but is not likely to change, especially since there are "Blue Dog" Democrats out there with whom they can continue their mischief.

they didnt keep their word bout ending the war....not financing,
and refuse to impeach

the dem party in congress is no different thatn the repub party in congress
and that includ4es Hillary, Kerry, and Obama.

The only one I still respect is Ted Kennedy and im not happy about his illegal immigration stance.

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here are some insights about one of the greatest Senators ever: A true progressive, from day one in the Senate.

Doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out that equation- particularly as one of the two is Lieberman.

or it's Hello New Zealand for me.

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who run now, even some who reinvented themselves.
Kerry gives Obama access to his base - means money, activists - you name it. It's a valuable endorsement which would help Obama way past the headline news of today.

the media is saying its not such a valuable endorsement

BTW., I'm one of those activists - aint gonna happen

activist for Edwards now.

you don't really think people should just take YOUR word for it, do you?

And to put it mildly; you don't speak for all dem activists.

Hillary or Edwards and dont be such a smart alec with "links please" - youre better than that - I go to the Democratic Exec Committee here... unfortunately
they're all leaning towards Hillary - and I meet many of the activists I worked with in this county. I also go to many other political meetings with rethugs and dems. Obama is not going to be the president unless we're still fixing voting machines in this country.....which I dont doubt.

That's your link. Take my word or dont.

Sure a few will remain until Edwards endorses whomever. But most will fly where the action is.

The insiders who have done nothing for us endorse more insiders. Take your pick which branch of the corporate oligarchy you want to slap your pitiful little vote by, it won't matter anyway, Diebold is alive and well! In the meantime our Constitution becomes more dust and the whole world teeters on the brink. What petty foolishness and selfishness this system runs on. What greedy insanity!

He's going to get health care for everybody.

He's going to help the poor.

:shrug:

endorsing Obama.

My question exactly. How come the Washington DC guys who have been there forever
are endorsing him.

Doesnt sound like change to me.

On the other hand, their big change when we elected them was Nancy Pelosi, Harry
Reid and look what that got us.

NOTHING !

Nature of things. Called momentum (the opposite of Joementum)

attacking Edwards.

The more super delegates the better.

are insider Washington.

So what does that mean to you that the establishment is endorsing Obama?

think about it.

Why would the insider establishment endorse Obama?

Kerry's vote will go to someone. If it doesn't go to Obama, it will go to Clinton. If Clinton isn't the establishment, I don't know what is. Obama would be a fool to "dis" Kerry and lose a delegate.

Just out of respect for what we all had stolen from us in 2004, not to mention what was stolen from himself and Edwards.

You know, I didn't think Kerry could disgust me any more with his chickensh*t behavior but he has. :puke:

for dems again---

the truth is I'm staying dem to vote for Edwards in the primaries, but if he's not the candidate I'm reregistering independent.

I won't have my hopes raised on vague air-filled platitudes.

Nor will my hopes be raised by Establishment figures like John Kerry, or neocon's like Bill Kristol.

$100 if you can

his failure to fight.

So, it appears I'm right - an endorsement from Kerry is like a kiss from a
typhoid carrier. LOLOLOLOL


Three million names on a mailing list that is 4 years old and they expect to get a lot of donations from that list. I've switched carriers 3 or 4 times in 4 years and imagine millions others have also.

Going to be a lot of time and money wasted on those lists. tsk

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http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:R_VFR6DLc4cJ:thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/blogtalk-the-obama-kerry-alliance/+democrats+angry+at+Kerrry+over+2004+election+NYT+Jan+10+2008&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

New York Times Politics Blog
January 10, 2008, 6:51 pm
Blogtalk: The Obama-Kerry Alliance
By Ariel Alexovich

Boy, that John Kerry is one unpopular guy.
Based on what we’ve read online today, there are heaps of vindictive Democrats out there who still harbor a grudge toward Senator Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, for not locking up the presidency in 2004. That’s not to mention the folks of both parties who consider him an out-of-touch liberal — and a man whose endorsement of Barack Obama today might be, to borrow the words of at least half a dozen contributors to The Caucus, a “kiss of death.”
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Even those who like John Kerry are confused, if not downright angry, that he chose to throw his weight behind Mr. Obama, a relative newbie to the Senate.

-more- at URL above