Skinner, can you see how HRC's mystery keeps us from trusting her?

If the constant polls on here are accurate on how DUers feel, then Hillary supporters are in the minority, Edwards often gets more votes than both Hillary and Obama together. National polls show that Edwards supporters are in the minority. The last time I felt this sense of dread I was even more in the minority; the lead up to the Iraq war. I had good Democratic friends and family tell me I was crazy 'don't you know what Saddam has done?'. I don't want to be a part of the "I told you so group" again because this time it will be against a Democrat. We don't want more of the same old, same old and we can't trust Hillary Clinton to separate herself from current policies and do the right thing, some of the reasons are:

*Bill and Hillary's suddenly becoming pals with Bushes and Bushistas.

*Her vote; how many times did Democratic Underground go nuts with "WTH? WTF? Why did she vote like that?" after many of her votes. Votes that supported Bushes policy and not a Democratic one. For a long time, when I so desperately wanted to vote in the first woman president, I thought it was a political thing she was doing. Our soldiers, citizens and country deserve so much more than political votes, we need someone who'll do the right thing.

*Then add the slug that is Karl Rove to the mix; why did he slime his way across his favorite 'news' shows a few months back to declare that Hillary would be the Democratic candidate? (I know this is weird to add, it's not an action of Hillary's but it's important to show where the feelings of mistrust are coming from).

Hillary Clinton's inability or unwillingness to separate herself from Bush, his goons, his policy is why many of us here cannot trust her.

I'm sorry this is rambling and weird, and doesn't include all the details it should, I'm just so mad and frustrated to see so many Americans not seeking out the truth and watching how our 'media' has such a large roll in the misinformation or no information machine.

no mystery there.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137

Remember, she took on almost the entire MALE establishment in Congress over healthcare. She was poised, sharp, plesant, unsuccessful. But she did try. Has there been a little more support from the people (being led around by the MSM ring in the nose) the healthcare system might look a lot better for many people than it does now.

There is no shame in failing...but plenty of shame in not trying, IMHO.

""She was poised, sharp, plesant,""

just a point out, I don't mean to insult you or anything. We should be aware of the very different descriptions we give to men as opposed to women.
would you describe a male senator with these very same words?

again, not dissing you, just saying that our dialogue is so marinated and ingrained that we sometimes unintentionally play the game.

Until she approved the Iraq War Resolution. She lost me for good then. I'm still disappointed that she voted that way; it's a shame.

Isn't it lucky Obama wasn't even in the Senate for that vote. He can always tell us how courageously he WOULD have voted. Lucky, lucky man.

Approving funding was necessary so that our soldiers had what they needed. You know that. I think it's intellectual dishonesty to claim otherwise. Voting to get into the war was what Hillary did. If we hadn't gone in, the funding wouldn't be necessary.

to do otherwise is not supporting the troops

The next president has to be a Democrat and that Democrat, whoever it is, has to bring them home. No argument here.

Thank you from a NON-HRC supporter.

Like granite? :shrug:

at her voting record, which is one of the most liberal in the Senate.

I think she's wrong on the war and I know she's wrong on healthcare, so she won't get my vote in the primary. However, her record is such that I won't have to gag when I vote for her in the general election.

Yes, there are candidates I'd prefer, most of whom are now out of the race. However, anyone who trashes her as GOP lite is exposing him/herself as an ignoramus who can't be bothered to check the record.

Look at what she DOES, not what she says.

MANY, if not most, posters crying about "rigged elections" only did it because it was HRC who won. If it had been Obama or Edwards..... no way.

And, please get over the bogus idea that SEnator Clinton is a "Bush-Lite." I don't always agree with her, nor my second choice, but she is a Democrat with a good liberal record, as are Edwrads and Obama.

Per Skinner, THE OWNER OF DU, this doesn't belong in this forum any more.

But are now painted in the MSM and here as the quintessential insiders, JUST THE SAME AS BUSH.

Let me know when a word of truth is printed.

You may not be hearing from me for a while...

but her record is more than acceptable.

Your first sentence doesn't even have anything to do with my post at all. I didn't call her Bush Lite, you did. I said her votes are suspect, she's doing the voting, making those decisions, it's a part of her now. Why does it make you uncomfortable for me to get it off my chest about why I don't trust her?

It is completely about the anomalies between the poll numbers before the vote, and the Diebold tabulated numbers after the vote.

I really could be quite happy if Mrs Clinton wins the nomination, and will vote for her come November if she gets the nomination. Maybe I'm too paranoid when it comes to voter fraud, but I would be that way no matter who is involved. I want what ever Democrat gets the nomination to get it honestly.

and once again America has fallen for it.

{/extremesarcasm}

A white woman and a black man in a race for president. Hillary was already a celebrity. Obama has been a work in progress since 2004.

After all... she CARES! She REALLY CARES! Nevermind the IWR. Nevermind Kyl/Lieberman. Nevermind torpedoing Universal Health Care for at least two decades. She CARES!

If there's anything more reprensible than attacking a candidate for a moment of emotion, it's the headlong rush to canonize one for the same thing. Ridiculous. Insane. Not a gnat's worth of importance. That ANYONE would base their support on something so bizarre and ridiculous is beyond me.

It's WHAT they say, not HOW they say it. It's about WHAT they stand for, not HOW they sit.

Like...? She has a 97% party-line voting record.

Whether you trust her or not, she has to get there before she can start to undo all this.

There's a whole generation that ain't done yet.