We have officially been invaded

Just got here this morning from a grueling week at work. A lot of the responses on the "Kucinich asks for Recount in NH!" is absolutely amazing to me. I thought I was on the wrong website. Where do these bonehead freepers come from?
The attacks and disdain for fellow democratic candidates on DU is just despicable. Dennis of all people???? Your kidding me right? There isn't anyone with more integrity and balls.
I heard Thom Hartman on Air America this week talking to a caller. They were discussing Obama and how there are nut-cases and racists in this country that would perhaps try and harm him. Thom said..."Obama should pick Dennis as his vice president, then NO ONE would ever THINK of such a thing as Dennis would be their worst nightmare as president."
That statement spoke volumes as to who Dennis really is. Shame on those who take swipes at him or any other Dem candidate for that matter.
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I mean Kucinich has to take his lumps same as anybody else, and frankly, he's had to take a lot less (around DU) than Clinton and Obama.

I mean you heard the one where Obama is a homophobe and electing Clinton is electing 4 more years of Bush?

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I don't agree...we got 8 years of Bush because of folks looking at a lot of crap like that and too busy taking swipes...the Repugs got in while everyone's eye was off the ball. No one is perfect..but on DU especially, WHOEVER gets the democratic nomination I will support. We should all be in lock step with that. Too much pissing and whining never accomplished anything.

... and too busy taking swipes." - So, are you saying Karl Rove's tactics were successful?

Now is not the time to play nice because we are about to lose our republic forever.

GEAUX KUCINICH!!!

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They don't know the meaning of the word. They want everything to stay the same.

Good rant, Highway61

K&R

whew....

Kucinich has been a distraction for too long. He should have dropped out of the race before he was even a part of it.

why pray tell, why is he a distraction?

The "establishment" types don't like their act being upstaged by honesty. :shrug:

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WHOMEVER gets the democratic nomination I will support. Period. Maybe your on the wrong website.

The real left really is a distraction. Those folks have just too much power and representation don't they? :sarcasm:

Get an effective political compass.

I honestly don't know where people come up with these thoughts.

I would feel alot better if it WAS the freepers.

Instead DU has been driven to the point of madness during this primary- choosing to do the RW's work for them by shooting in a circle rather then aiming our guns at the real enemy.

It will be over soon and after a few heads explode I think things will calm down a little. Or rather...I hope they will.

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I am probably on the list of 'disruptors' but I know other oldtimers who also feel the same...that it is imperative that no Repug be returned to the WH. Too insure that goal means putting out the absolute strongest candidate and a bulletproof platform. We all know(except for a certain group of youngsters who have not seen it fro real) that the Repugs will go 'nuclear' and if the Democrats make the same mistakes as in the past the general electorate will once again squeeze the Neo-CONS in. It is strongly felt that they will 'rig' some of the key states or precincts. If in fact they do that it is even MORE imperative that the democrats garner the maximum number of votes possible, enough that it will overcome the stolen votes.

Looked at in that perspective don't you feel it better to do our own vetting early on? Even if some of it hits the MSM, all that will happen is that the general population will either ignore it, or forget it by next fall, and that pulls Roves teeth out by the roots...with no anaesthetic!( a worthy goal in itself)

It's amazing to me how anyone on DU, after all the vote fraud of recent years, would ridicule one quality control check of a vote count. Yeah, I, too, wonder where they are coming from.


There should be one mandatory recount, in the open, in front of media, of every election held in the US.

the MSM is against her, you know.

I don't think that anyone thinks that Dennis is a tool of Obama or Edwards. For months here at DU he seemed to be the most popular candidate with most posters complaining that the MSM was presenting Hillary as inevitable.

It is interesting how a caucus and a primary can change the atmosphere around here.

And they are everywhere. They have been very busy since the Reconstruction. The Hillary excuse is just the latest gambit, but real Liberals have always worked, and always will work, to expand votor rights, the expand access to the polls and to fight vote suppression and election fraud everywhere.

Amazing how just one recount to confirm the vote is so threatening to some. The reaction is all you need to know to confirm who is who.

to me, it's practically fighting words.

Karl, is that you?

that doesn't surprise me any. It might have been Kucinich's idiotic idea, but others are being awfully quick to support it.

It really doesn't matter to me one way or another, except that I don't think that it's cricket. It's an insult to one of the candidates and it makes all of the democratic candidates appear weak. It cheapens the whole party's nomination process. At least let us unify behind the darn process. The way Kucinich's supporters are going, it's just going to provide fuel to the rethugs who'll spin it... "can you really trust the Democrats to nominate a candidate... look how divided they are... vote Huckabee." I don't know why Kucinich wants to bring the party down with his absolutely ridiculous candidacy.

Simple quality control. Too bad you can not look past your own primary enthusiasm to see that transparent elections help everyone and hurt no one, except those who would lie, cheat or steal to win elections.

I don't care about NH specifically, I care about all elections. I don't think you are rovian (despite my snark), I believe you can't put down your primary cap for five fucking minutes to discuss an issue important to all real Americans. So naturally you must attack. And, naturally, I attack back. But I don't think I wanna argue with you any more.

As for me, I am for Edwards in the primary, and for the nominee in the general. But Sen. Clinton pulled in a lot of new voters in NH, and a huge number of undecideds seem to have broken to her direction. Good things for Dems in general, I believe. I have no problem with NH. I have a problem with the state of our election SYSTEM. I believe that all Dems must keep hammering on the issue of transparency. I believe that we should challenge elections as a matter of course. If Edwards wins in SC, I want a recount. Can you dig where I am coming from now?

Remember what Paul Weyrich said!


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However, your anti-democratic, anti-transparent-election position has been noted.

I believe they WANT Hillary. Why? Because when she gets the nomination they will attack her in ways never seen before. It will make the swiftboating of Kerry look like a walk in the park The Repugs are desperate...and they know Gomer Pyle isn't going to cut it.
Rove didn't leave the white house to go on vacation...helloooo?

Vote Recount?

http://athensforronpaul.com/archives/195

Posted on January 9th, 2008 by admin

There are questions about the vote count in New Hampshire. The story started in Sutton Country
where Ron Paul was reported at 0 votes. A family in Sutton County all went to the polls and voted
for Ron Paul. They contacted the Country Clerk and inquired about the 0 vote count and asked for
a quick count. The clerk found 31 counts for Ron Paul. This is just a small town/county in New
Hampshire.

In the counties that were hand counted here are the results for Ron Paul...

More....

Kucinich and Paul.

Oops! Did I say that?

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Where have the anti-recount people been for the last 8 years?

For example, when people say nasty things about those who have brought up the legitimate and serious issue of the significant discrepancy b/t ALL the final polls, and much of the exit polling, with the reported results in NH -- why that's fair game. I am not saying I am solidly convinced that the election WAS IN FACT determined by fraud, but surely there is reason to keep an open mind and to recognize (as Kucinich did) that there is real evidence at issue and not just, to quote one DU (!) poster "sore/loserman".

I notice that those who bash Obama are treated much more harshly than those who bash Hillary or than the purportedly more nasty Obamanauts.

I refrain from insulting other commentors personally, as well as from the practice of mindlessly insulting the candidates. But I don't refrain from vigorous criticism, nor from topics considered 'tin foil hat' territory. For many, that's bad enough.

Once again -- I would vote for either HRC or Obama if they get the nomination, as whatever I or some others might think of HRC, the Repugs are SO MUCH worse that there really is no other choice.

Within an hour after HRC was projected winner, you bet your ass I thought -- and said -- "sour grapes." Especially after the VERY, VERY nasty attacks against HRC and her DU supporters the preceding week. Read over some of those threads -- I'm dead right. And, more than a few threads and posts SPECIFIED the election was rigged because of HRC.

Plus, it appears Bev is back on DU, which makes me very suspicious of certain posters crying, "ELECTION FRAUD!"

Some seem sincere, just clueless about her. Some..... aren't.

Just to verify the Diebold machines. Imagine that the recount shows that Clinton actually won by 10 percent. Then your candidate would still be the winner, and the damn Diebold machines would be shown to be untrustworthy.

Why that scares the shit out of some is beyond me.

when this discussion began.

The same Bev who once tried to make a buck selling cigars to insult Bill Clinton and take advantage of the GOP faux sex scandal.

Yep, the same one.

were, now they appear to be us. The rancor and abrasiveness does not sound Democratic, Liberal, or Progressive to me. It wasn't like this here in the past few election cycles. I think we have been freeped. I feel really uncomfortable about continuing to donate to this site. I don't want to support freepers and maroons.

are actually disruptors.

I am worried that this place is full of sleepers who have been waiting years to disrupt this site at this time.

Check out the Kucinich threads.

and will take every opportunity to try and smear him.

It's a win win for all Americans. It's what we have been fighting for for so many years. Paper ballots, clear open counting process...nothing wrong with that. I souldnt mind if there was a mandatory recount for all elections...what is more important?