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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 10:31 PM
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WHY WE FIGHT ===>>>
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 10:54 PM by Stephanie


Excerpts below are from an article by James Wolcott in the latest issue of http://www.vanityfair.com/">Vanity Fair. Let's hear the candidates respond to this. What would your candidate say? Will anyone speak the truth about Iraq?

This article's not available online - I typed out the last part for you.




James Wolcott

How Bush Stacks Up
Like Rorschach tests, a growing stack of Bush books reveals very different presidents - Evangelical Bush, Frat-Boy Bush, Weepy Bush - as authors try to explain his failure. There's an even grimmer version - the story of his success

---snip---

For years, a few voices on the radical edges of the blogosphere have contended that sowing chaos in the Middle East, privatizing war to enrich their corporate sponsors, and letting things slide to hell at home were what the lords of misrule wanted - that the bungling and incompetence of the war and Katrina weren't bugs, but features. After all, the post-Katrina diaspora has redounded to the benefit of the Republicans with the election of Bobby Jindal to the Louisiana governership, his victory made possible in part by the dispersement of black voters displaced by the floods.

As for Iraq, Jim Holt makes the persuasive counter-intuitive argument for this thesis in a piece for the London Review of Books called "It's the Oil, Stupid," which begins, "Iraq is 'unwinnable,' a 'quagmire,' a 'fiasco': so goes the received opinion. But there is good reason to think that, from the Bush-Cheney perspective, it is none of these things. Indeed, the US may be 'stuck' precisely where Bush et al want it to be, which is why there is no 'exit strategy.'" Spreading democracy in the region was never the goal, a quick in-and-out never in the cards, despite Michael Gerson's misty-eyed testimony to the contrary. The goal was to take control of Iraq's oil resources and stand guard over its infrastructure, which is why military bases with world-capital-size airport runways and suburban comforts (miniature-golf courses, fast-food restaurants, sports fields) are under boomtown construction in Iraq. Holt writes, "The draft law that the US has written for the Iraqi congress would cede nearly all the oil to Western companies. The Iraq National Oil company would retain control of 17 of Iraq's 80 existing oil fields, leaving the rest - including all yet to be discovered oil - under foreign corporate control for 30 years." All in all, a pretty sweet deal for the U.S. and trans-national corporations, paid for in part thus far by the sacrifice of nearly 4,000 American troops and countless thousands of Iraqis, a necessary cost of doing business if you don't mind havin gothers get their hands bloody. Holt:

The occupation may seem horribly botched on the face of it, but the Bush administration's cavalier attitude towards 'nation-building' has all but ensured that Iraq will end up as an American protectorate for the next few decades - a necessary condition for the extraction of its oil wealth. If the US had managed to create a strong, democratic government in an Iraq effectively secured by its own army and police force, and had then departed, what would have stopped that government from taking control of its own oil, like every other regime in the Middle East? On the assumption that the Bush-Cheney strategy is oil-centered, the tactics - dissolving the army, de-Baathification, a final 'surge' that has hastened internal migration - could scarcely have been more effective. The costs - a few billion dollars a month plus a few dozen American fatalities (a figure which will probably diminish, and which is in any case comparable to the number of US motorcyclists killed because of repealed helmet laws) - are negligible compared to $30 trillion in oil wealth, assured American geopolitical supremacy and cheap gas for voters. In terms of realpolitick, the invastion of Iraq is not a fiasco; it is a resounding success.


Which may explain the final sentences in the epilogue to Draper's Dead Certain, where the author says that Bush had no intention of marking time until the last tick of his presidency. He's going to go out with the a bang. Once the "surge" strategy in Iraq pays off, "that big ball would be back in his hands again, and he would heave it long." In Beltway gridiron lingo, this might be interpreted as signifying that Bush is going to drop back in the fourth quarter and hurl a long bomb downfield at Iran. If Bush feels he's achieved a winning groove, what the hell, why not run up the score, despite the National Intelligence Estimate? Perhaps Bush's post-presidential memoir should be titled From Coffins to Coffers, since he's helped fill so many of both.











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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 10:48 PM
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1. Of course, the "few voices on the radical edge of the blogosphere..."
That would be US. WE knew the plan before the invasion ever started. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=110&topic_id=80">PNAC LINKS

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 10:57 PM
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3. How is it that so many of the candidates pretend to this day to know nothing?
Who will tell the truth about Iraq?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 10:57 PM
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2. Thanks, Stephanie. :)
I haven't been watching anything much on tv lately, but I did see the Democratic portion of the presidential debates & heard Charles Gibson's patronizing question about the "surge being successful". Are the pundits on tv pushing this fantasy? If so, I think it will go the same road as did their "Mission Accomplished" embarrassment.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:00 PM
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4. thanks for responding!
That was a lot of typing to do!

Of course the pundits are pushing it. They want to keep their jobs, don't they.
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Steven_S Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:15 PM
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5. Nicely done...
kicked and recommended.

I wish all this would become common knowledge.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:26 PM
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6. I suspect it IS common knowledge inside the Beltway.
They just don't feel it's any of our business. And that includes the candidates and the "journalists" who cover them.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:55 PM
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7. I don't know why we're not talking about Iran.
It's going to happen, mark my words. That's where Bush is going to get his 45% from, or so he believes. One more war is just what these asshats need to put a capper on it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:07 AM
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8. Thank you for getting that to us, Stephanie!
Wolcott knows Bush doesn't want to take us with him.

He plans on surviving whatever hell's ahead.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:46 AM
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9. Thanks for reading, friend!
Why won't the candidates be truthfull about this? Why won't they address the real issue, instead of spinning fairy tales about phased withdrawal? We're. Never. Leaving. Iraq. Why must they lie to us?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:50 AM
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10. It is because as a nation, we don't have the stomach to admit
that we have been abused. Too much shame and guilt for most.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:25 AM
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11. Thanks for posting about this issue, the top three candidates
have remained silent.

:cry:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/22838


It's All About Oil

By Dennis J. Kucinich

Wednesday May 23, 2007

Summary and Notes from Congressman Kucinich's One Hour Speech
Before the United States House of Representatives
On Administration's Efforts to Privatize Iraq Oil


The Iraqi "Hydrocarbon Law" is an issue of critical importance, but has been seriously mischaracterized and I want to provide the House of Representatives the facts and evidence to support the concerns I have expressed.

As you know, the Administration set several benchmarks for the Iraqi government, including passage of the "Hydrocarbon Law" by the Iraqi Parliament. The Administration has emphasized only a small part of this law, the "fair" distribution of oil revenues. Consider the fact that the Iraqi "Hydrocarbon Law" contains a mere three sentences that generally discusses the "fair" distribution of oil.

Except for three scant lines, the entire 33 page "Hydrocarbon Law," is about creating a complex legal structure to facilitate the privatization of Iraqi oil. As such, it in imperative that all of us carefully read the Iraqi Parliament's bill because the Congress is on the record in promoting oil privatization.

This war is about oil.

We must not be party to the Administration's blatant attempt to set the stage for multinational oil companies to take over Iraq's oil resources.

The Administration set several benchmarks for the Iraqi government, including passage of the "Hydrocarbon Law" by the Iraqi Parliament..."



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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:42 AM
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12. The top three won't say it.
They're going to have to address it.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:18 AM
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14. How many have died or been displaced? How can we in good
conscience support those who have said nothing on the issue of privatization. Do we think the people of Iraq do not know what is at stake?

Remember when the union leaders came to the US to ask for the help from the people? Or when our planes circled overhead as they protested?

I just do not get it.

:shrug:

:(
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:00 PM
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15. What about the occupation? Will they admit the truth?
Will they admit they are going along with it?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 03:02 PM
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17. Possibly, no and a kick! n/t
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:00 AM
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13. K & R . nt
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:12 PM
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16. thank you!
:hi:
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:02 PM
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18. Totallyt K&R, and
What's the circulation of Vanity Fair, anyway?

And of course this is not a new argument. Iraq is exactly where Bush wants it, New Orleans is exactly where Bushes cronies want it, and so is the torture ordered by Bush, Cheney and/or Rumsfeld, and so is Iran, and - though I know it's anathema to a lot people - so was 9/11. Precisely the set of circumstances that allows his fascist masters to do as they please.

Amongst it all, the Dem leaders' silence is nothing short of incriminating. If we know, if Vanity Fairs finally prints it, they know, too. I don't believe for a moment they were "misled" about WMD in Iraq, because if you watched CNN at that time, yes, even only CNN, you'd have caught Scott Ritter tell the truth, before he was banished from major airwaves, and you'd have caught El Baradei, too.

And if that was happening too fast for anyone, there's now no excuse for not having read, say, Craig Unger's "House of Bush, House of Saud". (BTW, don't assume you know the main story of the book if you've only seen Moore's movie. The movies is based on the book, but it uses maybe 5% of the content).

So the silence is incriminating and chilling.

And then, the current spewage of hate between "sexist" Obama supporters and "racist" Hillary supporters, and even worse names for those who support anyone else (Freepers! Repugs!) - I don't suppose this is just a twist of electoral fate, either. The act that has been playing out on DU these days, I belive it is scripted. Like the article says - it's not a bug, it's a feature.

Is there really no way to get the message across? Maybe contact the people who work directly for the candidates, who probably genuinely believe they're working towards the greater good, maybe they don't have the time to read Vanity Fair?

One thing I have learned from history of totalitarian states is that when people suffer or have grievances and think the leaders would help them if only they knew what was being done ot them; when people believe the leaders mean well and only their henchmen or their police or their bureaucrats usurp vindictive power - that is never true. The leaders know, because they would not stay leaders long if they did not. That's what they do. It takes the masses of people ages to realize that, and most people may never get that particular point. Stalin is to this day extolled by lots of people in Russia, let alone his native Georgia, and don't try to tell them how many innocent people he got killed, how many lives he ruined. They are convinced, at the very least, that he meant well. Fish, meet hook.

Everyone who does any work for any of the candidates right now would do well to stop, take a step back, take a walk, take a deep breath, and ask themselves if there's maybe anything they don't quite understand about their favorite leader. Just a thought.

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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:25 AM
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19. Sunday kick (nt)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:57 PM
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20. thanks
I think this is the most important question our candidates need to address in this campaign. why aren't they talking about bush over in Saudi Arabia beating the war drums against Iran???
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