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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:43 AM
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NBC Rewrites its Own Rules to Prevent America from Hearing Kucinich
from AlterNet's PEEK:



NBC Rewrites its Own Rules to Prevent America from Hearing Kucinich

Posted by Joshua Holland, AlterNet at 2:06 PM on January 11, 2008.

This is way out of hand -- join me in boycotting the debate.



As a political writer, I have to follow these endless primary-season debates. But when it comes to NBC's Democratic show-down in Vegas next Tuesday, I'll read the transcript and check out the highlights on YouTube, but I won't tune into NBC's live broadcast.

Here's a press release from the Kucinich campaign explaining why:

Less than 44 hours after NBC sent a congratulatory note and an invitation to Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich to participate in the Jan. 15 Democratic Presidential debate in Las Vegas, the network notified the campaign this morning it was changing its announced criteria, rescinding its invitation, and excluding Kucinich from the debate.

NBC Political Director Chuck Todd notified the Kucinich campaign this morning that, although Kucinich had met the qualification criteria publicly announced on December 28, the network was "re-doing" the criteria, excluding Kucinich, and planning to invite only Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and former senator John Edwards.

The criteria announced last month included a fourth-place or better showing in a national poll. The USA/Gallup poll earlier this month showed Kucinich in fourth place among the Democratic contenders.

In an email to the Kucinich campaign at 2:35 p.m. on Wednesday, January 9, Democratic Party debates consultant Jenny Backus wrote:

"Congratulations on another hard-fought contest. Now that New Hampshire is over, we are on to Nevada and our Presidential Debate on Tuesday January 15. This letter serves as an official invitation for your candidate to participate in the Nevada Presidential Debate at Cashman Theatre in downtown Las Vegas. You have met the criteria set by NBC and the Debate."

Todd notified the Kucinich campaign this morning that the network had decided to change the criteria and limit participation in the debate to only three candidates.

SNIP

The Kucinich campaign, which filed an emergency complaint with the Federal Communications Commission last week because of ABC's decision to exclude the candidate from a nationally televised debate, is considering legal action to address "the blatant disregard of the public interest in silencing public debate that dissents with the views of NBC, its parent company, GE, and all of the military contractors and their candidate-funding corporate interests. Corporate control of the media is one issue. Corporate media control of the information that is allowed to reach American citizens is much more dangerous, much more sinister, and much more un-American."

"When 'big media' exert their unbridled control over what Americans can see, hear, and read, then the Constitutional power and right of the citizens to vote is being vetoed by multi-billion corporations that want the votes to go their way," the Kucinich campaign said.


Would you consider joining me in letting NBC know that we're just sick of this nonsense?

If so, indignant-but-polite is, I've found, the best tone to take when griping to the media about their all-too-frequently-crappy political coverage.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/73530/

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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:45 AM
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1. The guy is polling at 2% for gods sake
The people want to hear the candidates that can actually win.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:22 AM
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4. And why do you think he is only polling 2%
Dennis is being marginalized, big time. He is not being allowed to get his message out.
While he might still in forth place, he should be polling at least in the teens.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Because people don't like him or his message.
Is this really so goddamn difficult to understand?
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. he generally gets the loudest applause
They may not like him, but they do like the message.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Well, that may be true.
And if it is the case that he's getting the loudest applause, it can hardly be said that he's being silenced, can it?
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. it can be argued that he's being silenced
if he's getting half or two thirds less of the time that the other candidates are getting, or if he's getting shut out of the debates altogether. It's less perhaps that he's being silenced than that he's being marginalized and ignored, although rewriting the rules of debate participation after the fact is certainly an argument for silencing. It's not like he's showing up on "This Week" or "Meet the Press" all the time either.

Again, I think people like his message for the most part, but the message, if not the messenger, makes certain powerful special interests very uncomfortable.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. IT'S THE SPIN BABY, SPIN
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 12:23 PM by seemslikeadream
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:37 PM
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11. The people that have heard him, do like him and his message.
He is the only Liberal running. He is the only one that would stop the war and bring the troops home. What is so difficult for you to understand? Why the anger anyway?

Try this for quiz fit: http://www.dehp.net/candidate/
It's linked from his web page.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. Because people haven't heard his message!
When inadvertently it is allowed to slip through, the applause is robust.

Why are you carrying water for the MIC?

-Hoot
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. Maybe you should stop accusing the 99% of people who don't agree with you...
...of being tools. Just a thought. People generally don't respond well to being called idiots.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:00 PM
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23. I didn't accuse you of being a tool or an idiot.
You brought those into the conversation.

I asked you why you are repeating the falsehoods and halftruths that the MSM is pushing so hard. I seriously want to know why people who basically agree with Kucinich's positions are so hateful and condescending to him and people who agree with him to the point of throwing out the baby with the bath. I support Kucinich because these positions need to be heard at the convention. I think the constitution is worth defending and I certainly don't want another coronation. Ever.

First it happened to Kucinich, now as Edwards moves closer to Dennis' populist positions, the same thing is happening. Yeah, it could all be a coincidence, right?

-Hoot
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #5
19. Is it really so damn hard to understand that not nearly as many have heard
his message as have heard the Hillary/Obama message that is given tons of airtime and print?

I would bet, that if DK had equal measure, his poll numbers would be a LOT closer to theirs if not higher.

The game is rigged,pal. If you cant see that you are not looking.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #5
27. Even when Kucinich was on the stage, his allotted time to speak
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 07:14 PM by Uncle Joe
was minimal compared to the other candidates. The corporate media have done their best to keep his message from getting out. They do it to everyone, unless you tow the corporate line. This is a prime reason as to why our government is so dysfunctional and why we have corrupt, incompetents such as Bush in power today.

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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
28. His message aside from Edwards is the only moral one in the campaign
That people don't like it is their problem. But then I'm never surprised at the level of stupidity of the American People.
The people always tend to get distracted by flowery speech, even when it is a vile lie like Hillary's "promises".
The Founding Fathers would weep at what we've become as a nation.
We'll get the government we deserve. That and more war and outsourcing and poverty.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #28
36. And here it is again!
People who don't support your candidate are "stupid."
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
40. I'm with you!
Let's bomb the fuck out of Iran and stay in Iraq for the rest of our natural born days!!

:sarcasm:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:30 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. Yes, because that's what all of the other Democratic candidates are advocating.
Implying that your opponents are freepers is just one more reason to ignore your campaign.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:47 AM
Response to Reply #5
43. Maybe they would like his message
if they actually had the chance to fucking HEAR it?? :shrug:

Hell, why do they put Hillary on TV? We already know what her "message" is.... More of the same tired corporatist bullshit.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:48 PM
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15. Bingo. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Kucinich has been muzzled from the start. NBC's move, though not without justification now, is of a piece with Big Money's rejection of Dennis' message. Or of his un-photogenic appearance. Or something.

It's not all a corporate conspiracy. But similar thumbs on every goddamned scale used so far have helped ensure that Dennis is marginalized. We'll never know if he might have been polling at four percent now, or ten, or twenty.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #4
24. the notion that he polls so low
because he's being silenced is nonsense.

How many debates was he in this year? How many in 2004?

and he's still getting about 1%... would one more debate suddenly change things? People know who he is, they know what he says, and they just reject it.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. You're right. The poeple reject peace and social justice.
Why do think they're called sheeple? They wouldn't know a good deal if it bit them in the ass. The people constantly vote against their interests and by rejecting Kucinich and Edwards, they are doing it again. No wonder the Chinese and Indians and Iraqis and Afghanis are kicking our asses. We've become a nation of morons. I'll never underestimate the idiocy of Americans ever again.
Also, doing the right thing is never popular. That's why Hillary will never do the right thing. She's too frightened of alienating her paymasters in AIPAC and Big Pharma.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Yes
only Kucinich supporters are smart. :eyes:

Bless yer heart.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #24
34. Maybe they think they can't ever have it and it is therefore pointless to ask? n/t
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. He won the first couple of debates in all the polls--so that trumps that argument
The Nation declared that he most embodied their ideas--the same ideas that no one wants to hear about?

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. In all what polls?
Care to back that up?
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #8
35. One of the first ABC debates, the DFA poll, ok here's the links
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. Online polls?
Do you have, like, a real poll?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
22. Jesus! What a tool!
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:50 AM
Response to Reply #1
46. no, the corporate mainstream media picked the "winners"
and even DUers fell for it
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:24 AM
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2. I called NBC
I believe that Kucinich should be allowed to debate. He is on my ballot and has not dropped
out of the race.
He has a different perspective and I believe it needs to be heard.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:10 PM
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32. me too I called and got a very exhausted tired lady at NBC
I think they had to dump the machine cause it was filled and had a lady answer it

She was not rude but she was not understanding just very tired
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:08 AM
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3. I'd like to once again thank the msm for choosing our candidate for us.
We're certain to get what's best for them, regardless of what's best for us.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:51 AM
Response to Reply #3
47. DUers fell for it too
unbelievable
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:52 AM
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7. This is so outrageous! Next it will be Edwards. Then we'll be stuck with the two
corporate pablum candidates, and that will be that.

I just looked into the voting system in SC, which is Edwards' hope for a boost. It's all ES&S touchscreens--no ballot--the worst of the worst. If the bad guys want him out, they can easily, easily get him out with their unverifiable "TRADE SECRET" vote counting.

See my discussion at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4041739

Which is why I think Edwards needs to do the following:

1. Immediately object to Kucinich being excluded from the debates--raise a big stink about it, and get him back into the debates, to...

2. Bring up the election non-transparency issue--as he is doing in NH--but in tandem with Edwards in the debates. Kucinich has asked for a recount in NH, on behalf of all voters--and needs help with the recount cost. They're hitting him with an $80,000 cost, because he is not a top tier candidate. But more than this, Edwards' only chance at staying in the race--since the bad guys clearly want him out--is to challenge the SC voting system. It is UNVERIFIABLE, and has to be taken to court.

People who dismiss items like Kucinich getting ostracized, and PRIVATE CORPORATIONS deciding who gets to debate, because they don't think it's important (Kucinich is under 2%, can't win, and is hated by the media, and blackballed in every way), fail to realize the full implications of such corporate power. We have big corps counting all the votes with 'TRADE SECRET' code. We have big corps setting the narrow parameters of debate, choosing who gets to be in the debates, and often asking stupid questions to boot, wasting much time on trivia. (Kucinich has won many media polls of "who won" debates, and gets great positive audience response because he's articulate and addresses hard issues that the others avoid, or double-talk about.) We have the only media access for alternative candidates and new ideas being dictated by big corps in every way--from the cost of their TV ads, to their slanted news coverage, to their blackholing vital issues like WHO is counting our votes and HOW, and of course the war and everything else. And the importance of this corporate rule over our elections cannot be stressed enough when it comes to a viable candidate like John Edwards, who is not towing the corporate line. I'm not kidding. First Kucinich gets the hook. Then Edwards (who got 17% of the vote in NH, even in a mostly Diebold counted vote, and is doing even better in other polls).

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. They've already started on Edwards!
The irony would be sweet if the act wasn't so sickening.

-Hoot
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:46 PM
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14. Less than 44 hours, huh?
Well, let's see. What happened in that 44 hour span that might make them change their mind? Thinking, thinking. Could that announcement of double-checking the integrity of our voting system be a clue? Am I getting warmer?

They aren't letting him anywhere near a national stage, now. First impeachment, now this.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 12:56 PM
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16. Gravel has been excluded even before - most of you didn't mind...
In fact one of the candidates coralled another to work on "smaller debates".
A lot of DU-ers here agreed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSoCHfyYCew
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Not all of us agreed.
I thought Gravel added a lot when he had more than 30 frikkin seconds to add it.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:26 PM
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25. NBC is a war profiteer. No doubt they don't want DK's message getting out
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. GE ranked #14 in defense contracts
according to this site ~~ almost 30% of GE's revenue
http://www.defensenews.com/index.php?S=07top100byname

#35 in all gov't contracting according to this source
$434,308,786
http://www.washingtontechnology.com/top-100/2007/index.html
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:03 PM
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26. I Suspect Nobody Wants Kucinich Off That Stage More Than Phony Edwards
These debates are being put on and controlled not by the media outlets that carry each of them, but by an actual corporation formed between the corporate media and the two political Parties, with all of them having control over who will be on, and who will not. Don't you remember some years ago, during two Presidential campaigns, Ralph Nader blasted the media and National leadership of both Parties, for censoring and cutting Nader out of the debates? Ever since the "D"LC "Democratic" and corporate Republican Parties stole the entire debate system from the previously very open and fair League of Women Voters, which had always run them before, they have been manipulated a thousand different ways, from narrowed down numbers of candidates, people cut out who should have been there, phony "fluff" questions, impossibly short time limits for "snappy" answers, not all topics being covered anymore, lobbyists and staff, etc., in the audience, rather than the public, etc., etc.

Why does it not occur to you that many of the most hard-hit and embarrassed of the OTHER candidates themselves have organized this freeze-out, then allowed the media to be criticized for it alone. I suspect the operations of phony Johnny Hedge-Fund, the extremely wealthy lawyer with the huge mansion cut out of what was once woods, profiteer of predatory loans, evictions of Gulf Coast victims, etc., who has already been deftly exposed as a hypocrite, and specifically so, by Dennis Kucinich (on recent Bill Moyers, and many other times). I think it might have gotten way too truthful and unscripted for Johnny "I'm Not a Populist But I Play One on TV--And Stole All My 'Populist' Lines From Kucinich" Edwards. Edwards's speeches are still on the "D"LC website--I just found a few accidentally, when they were listed as "http://dol.org." I wondered what "D.O.L" was, and the "D"LC website came up. Never quit the "D"LC? No, Rich Boy does not want the real author of Edwards's best lines, right there to hear them with everybody else.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:51 AM
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38. Has the League of Women Voters done ANY debates recently?

"These debates are being put on and controlled not by the media outlets that carry each of them, but by an actual corporation formed between the corporate media and the two political Parties, with all of them having control over who will be on, and who will not."




I completely agree with your post,btw.

DR
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:06 AM
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33. the AGENDA is to shut the Anti War candidates up very obvious
from Kucinich on the Dems and Ron Paul on the RNC and if they don't think the Independents see it they are mistaken

this is real oppression
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:54 AM
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39. I will not be watching the broadcast.
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Jeremy of Kansas Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:44 AM
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42. And you know what? Good.

We may all like him, he may support the things we like but still, this man is polling at or under 2%. He's not getting elected and won't get a single delegate. So lets concentrate on the candidates who will be nominated and who will be in the general electing. Let's concentrate on giving face time to our candidates who will be running for the votes of all America.

And not some man, who will NEVER get more then 1 delegate(I don't think he has even that), and who by all appearances looks like he shouldn't be debating and destroying a ring somewhere.

- Jeremy of Kansas
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:49 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. Welcome to DU.
How's Will Marshall doing these days? :hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:53 AM
Response to Reply #42
48. YES
let's support the candidates the CONSERVATIVE CORPORATE MAINSTREAM MEDIA PICKED FOR US
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:49 AM
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45. the corporate MSM picked the front runners and even DUers fell for it
:puke:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #45
49. And yet another "people who don't support Kucinich are tools" post.
Are you getting the picture about why your candidate is hovering around 1%?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:50 PM
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52. You are missing the point .....
Wait til your voice is excluded and see how YOU like it.


Dennis speaks for me and many many many more Americans regardless of what *polls* may say.

Polls are all BS as I'm sure you know- unless you poll everyone, then your poll is not accurate.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:55 PM
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54. YOU GOT IT DESERTROSE
I am shocked by the number of DUers who don't get it.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:35 AM
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55. Thx ,Skittles...seems pretty straightforward to me.
It is a bit puzzling that so many here can't see it...or don't want to see it.



:hi:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:47 PM
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51. The Chris Matthews/Tim Russert network....no way!?!
/sarcasm off
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