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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:47 PM
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Wearing T-Shirts with words of the Constitution is not allowed where the Constitution is displayed
On Jan. 12th, In a stunning display of irony and lawlessness, guards at the National Archives (the repository of our nation's most precious document: The U.S. Constitution) denied visitors their Constitutionally mandated rights to free speech by denying entry and physically escorting visitors away who wore t-shirts bearing quotes from the Constitution itself!

What part of the Constitution was quoted, you ask? The parts which speak to our nation's need to impeach Presidents and Vice Presidents when faced with the kind of disregard for the Constitution that this administration (and the National Archives) imposes on us. So, this country has gone so far downhill that the Constitution has remained a symbol, but the meaning of that symbol is forgotten.


We revere the document, and guard the document, without knowing why we do so. We're willing to defy the mandates of our revered document in an ignorant attempt to defend our lawless president's image. Isn't it ironic that not only do our public officials ignore their oaths of office to defend the Constitution in order to support this lawless president, but the literal guards of the Constitution do the same


http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=4465
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:49 PM
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1. There is no cure
for what this country has.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:44 PM
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18. Sure there is but it's going to HURT.
It involves removal of the infected areas and cauterization to prevent re-infection.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:00 PM
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2. I would be upset if they Had let them in.
This is a building where the Constitution is displayed 75 feet from the front door.

They don't allow protests or possibly a group of 80 people with protest related t-shirts to come in.

These people waved signs around outside for a while and were barred for good reason...

This the Fucking National Archives!

The article itself says:

"At the National Archives, the Constitution and First Amendment are on permanent display,yet the exercise of the very rights enshrined in this document are prohibited both by posted signs and by security guards."

Rules are rules, people.

I've been to this building Many times. There is no way they would let them in.

AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUSH!
It has always been like this and it always will be.

The audio indicates that they marched up to the Archives waving signs.

They were outside for a while, then a non-specified number attempted to enter.

After their outside show there is no fucking way Any public building in DC would let them in, much less the building housing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights just beyond the foyer.

And I'm glad.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:05 PM
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3. I agree with you.
It was about their behavior, not about what they were wearing. Protesting inside the National Archives? Ridiculous.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:20 PM
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25. So protesting is unacceptible behavior in a public area?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:08 AM
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41. Have you ever been to National Archives?
I'm only asking because if you had you'd know why they weren't permitted in.

The place is always on heightened, freakzoid-paranoid-if you sneeze suspiciously they'll throw you out on your butt-security level.

As far as I know it has always been run like that. I know for sure it's been run that way since long before bush.

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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:59 AM
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40. I am sure that is what it was...
but it does seem somewhat ironic that they were wearing t-shirts with quotes from the constitution, but were turned away.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:07 PM
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4. What was the good reason? n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:12 PM
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6. Well, the reason certainly wasn't to defend the first amendment.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:16 PM
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8. After the march last January, my mom and I went to the National
Portrait Gallery. I guess we're lucky they let us in.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:22 PM
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26. If your family had been wearing matching t-shirts, or "black bloc" outfits they wouldn't.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:36 AM
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37. And we went to the Native American museum
Just think, we may not have been able to see all that wonderful art by the people who used to live here. :sarcasm:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:15 PM
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7. Notwithstanding, you have to admit the symbolic irony...
This represents an opportunity to make a point to the public. Why not accept that aspect of it?

NGU.


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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:43 PM
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24. It's chilling.
If the rules are posted and the t-shirts unruly then the guards have to play their role too.

If t-shirts were the only script, no unruly signs and protesting beforehand, only quotes from the Constitution then the guards should stand down or enforce the rules evenly (no t-shirts mentioning campaigns, or policies, or commercial products (including logos))...
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:19 PM
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10. A law cannot trump the US Constitution. So a rule doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.
You've failed the whats wrong with this picture portion of the Constitutional test.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:53 PM
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21. Tell you what. Go to a bank.
March around for a while with 79 of your friends waving signs and wearing t-shirts that say, "Down with this bank." Then set your signs down and line up in an orderly fashion. Start filing into the bank.

See how fast they lock the doors on you and call the cops.

The National Archives is the most sacred museum in the United States. They Do Not Take Chances!
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:49 PM
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22. That's private property and not public property. That's a horse of a different color. Try this one.
The Constitution is behind bullet proof glass. Not sign proof glass dummy! :wow:


:applause: :rofl: :headbang: :yourock:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:57 PM
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28. Try walking into the White House in protest garb after protesting outside.
That's public property.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:28 PM
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27. There is nothing sacred about the Constitutuon. It is words on paper. The Bank would let you in
If you were white, middle class, and not the unruly hippies in your
minds eye. Yes, even after a protest.

Like the Bible, fundamentalists like to worship the document itself
and not attempt to understand OR FOLLOW its prescriptions.

Interestingly, you apply the same rule to political rallies.

You have no problem when Bush, Clinton or Obama calls the cops
on a heckler after "congratulating them on their exercise of
free speech." What depth of falsehood is that?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:58 PM
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29. Bull. They'd call the cops long before you thought about entering the bank.
The rest of your rambling doesn't even apply to what I am talking about.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:22 PM
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34. Yeah, there's nothing "sacred" about swearing to uphold and defend
the Constitution.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:34 PM
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16. ...
:applause:
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:09 PM
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23. "Rules are rules." well, that settles it. nt
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:00 PM
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30. Since they took the trouble of putting up signs, you must obey?
Funniest thing I heard all day.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:09 PM
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31. Of course not. Ignore the signs posted at the White House.
Walk right in.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:21 PM
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33. The signs at the WH are more than likely backed up by law.
The signs at the Archives are more than likely the result of an over-reaching bureaucrat.
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TerwilligeRedux Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:56 AM
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39. Being a public place, suppression of dissent is more heinous
If those protestors tried to carry their signs in and disrupt normal operations, I'd see a reason to eject them or arrest them. But walking into the archive with t-shirts on? It's not as if they're nude. They should have the right to be in the building that enshrines our freedoms. They should have the right to engage other visitors about what the constitution really means, and why they think it's being ignored. For the police to deny them access represents an absolute squelch of the first amendment. They have a right to be angry about all of it.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:11 PM
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5. The Repression Of The Police State
The repression that comes from living in a Police State is on display for all to see.

My heart weeps for what this country has become.

Where simply wearing a t-shirt that the regime disapproves is grounds for denying a person his Constitutional rights.

Unbelieveable.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:18 PM
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9. If you want some real irony, check this out ->
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:19 PM
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11. O.M.G.!
This is just too surreal.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:21 PM
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12. I wish I hadn't seen that.
And Orwell rolls over AGAIN.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:25 PM
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13. One could almost expect another line in the story:

"Due to Diebold's excellent record keeping capabilities, National Archive authorities have decided to digitize the Constitution and Bill of Rights and to shred the original documents."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:27 PM
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14. "However, Bush Administration officials have refused to
release the document, citing executive privilege over national security concerns".
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:31 PM
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15. Well, it would have to fall under the Thought Control bill,
with all of those radical ideas..
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:52 PM
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20. We'd do well to decide which book we're willing to memorize
and where to meet.

I think I can manage "The Wasteland" and my vote would be Tuolumne Meadows. Those DHS @ssholes are too lazy to go there.

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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:34 PM
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17. Buddies of Bushie get contract to protect document called "just a piece of paper" by Bush
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 02:36 PM by mnhtnbb
If that isn't using the power of government to advance corporate interest, I don't know what is.
Anyone want to guess whether there was an open bid process for the deal?
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:45 PM
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19. I think these guys almost got the contract ->

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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:27 AM
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35. LOL. Oy!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:33 AM
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36. Interesting.. but it's the CONTENT of the documents that matters most..
not the parchment.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:11 PM
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32. Time for a mass demonstration
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 07:12 PM by Canuckistanian
If about 100 protestors were to walk into the National Archives building ALL wearing the same T-shirt with the 'offending quotes' on them, there would be some serious attention paid, no?

And what are they complaining about, anyways? Wasn't Bill Clinton impeached? Wouldn't you be showing support for the system that shamed Clinton?.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:42 AM
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38. ROFLMAO !!! - And Guess What They Sell In The Archives Store !!!


Constitution T-shirt

It’s unanimous; our Constitution T-shirt makes a fantastic fashion statement. All four pages of the Constitution are on view in the rotunda of the National Archives. Tan, 100 % cotton. Adult sizes small, medium, large, and extra-large.

$20.00

Link: http://estore.archives.gov/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=F-16-3292

:rofl::evilgrin::rofl:
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