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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:54 PM
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In Michigan, Dems don't exist. Local TV has reporters on every candidate in the state.
McCain, Romney and Huckabee are all over my local news. When it's time for an ad break, it's those same sonofabitches.

Back to the local news. An anchor is doing a sitdown interview with McCain. When over, it's more GOP ads. Then it's time to show the latest in the polls, Repugs only.

No Dems. Not in the news. Not in the ads. Not in the polls. Not a word. Not anywhere.

I haven't been this pissed since election day of '04.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:59 PM
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1. This is why.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1757

Florida voters don't matter either.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:00 PM
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2. because
the only choices on the Democratic ballot are "Hillary Clinton" and "uncommitted" and because Michigan doesn't have any Democratic delegated anyway at this point because they broke the rules and moved their primary up.

This is part of the reason, in addition to trying to keep the Republican infighting going, that dailyKos recommends that Democrats in Michigan cross over and vote for Romney.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:09 PM
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4. The 'choices' are Clinton, Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich, and uncommitted.
They're only 'choices' since the DNC says it'll REFUSE to seat delegates from Michigan.

The Democratic Party has said "fuck you" to the voters of Michigan.

:grr: :grr:

Oh ... and Kos can go fuck himself. I'd have another stroke if I voted for Romney.
(Don't try to tutor me in the specious 'gamesmanship' of being a TOOL for people who don't RESPECT my vote.)
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:33 PM
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22. So it was the DNC that caused this?
And not the state party wantonly breaking the rules to create a confrontation they knew they'd lose?
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:12 PM
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7. Kos is nice, but is he crazy? Dems voting for Romeny will be no help to get a DEM into the WH
gawd forbid we could end up with Romney inthe WH after a stupid stunt like that !
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:37 PM
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17. The votes don't count. The state party disenfranchised the voters
of Michigan and Florida by acting like lawless republicans and moving their primaries forward.

In Florida's case, purging, caging and intimidation was not effective enough.

I now have a first hand understanding of the above tactics, and I am not a happy camper. This happened as I enter my seventh decade. I can understand minorities who have had to put up with this all their lives.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:14 AM
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35. That's not correct. The Republicans are counting 1/2 of Mi and Fla's delegates. nt
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:05 PM
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3. Vote Uncommited n/t
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:11 PM
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6. Ditto. N/T
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:32 PM
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9. Voting Uncommitted throws your vote out.
It doesn't count if you do that.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:52 PM
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13. I was not aware of this
Damn. I guess I just *assumed* that the undeclared delegates would count if the nominee wanted them seated.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:31 PM
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16. So your choice is no choice at all? Disent is a choice - Vote Uncommitted. Rage against the Machine
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:30 PM
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28. Thats not exactly true
By voting uncommitted you will elect delegates who have the option to cast a vote for anyone at the Democratic National Convention. Michigan rules permit local party conventions to select these delegates, allowing the Obama, Edwards and Richardson campaigns to organize their supporters to elect delegates who would support them at the national convention.

http://www.michigandaily.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=e1eeeea7-c454-4054-94da-febaea8a231e
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:02 AM
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34. I thought Michiganders have no delegates. How can you throw out something that doesn't exist?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:11 PM
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5. Isn't it fun? The state has been thrown under the bus by the Dems.
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 07:12 PM by TahitiNut
:grr: :grr:

I've gotten about a dozen robocalls from the various GOP 'candidates.'

There are NO DEMOCRATIC DOLLARS helping the economy of the state. None.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:15 PM
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8. Fools ! Michigan is a perfect example of what Edwards' talks about n he cant go there or be listed !
he cant come to Florida either and Giuliani is running around the state today.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:32 PM
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10. He could have left his name on the ballot. He and the others chose not to
If these guys can't even stand up to the DNC what good are they against the republicans?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:49 PM
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12. Did Clinton leave her name on in Michigan?
I know there was a thread on the topic the other day that I was following, but, I've lost track of it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:59 PM
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15. Of course! Clinton, Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich, and Uncommitted.
:grr:
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:22 PM
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41. Clinton and Kucinich left their names on
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:32 PM
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11. blame debbie dingle too. she picked the wrong year for this fight.
this election is too damn important!!!!!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:58 PM
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14. Debbie? The chief lobbyist for GM?? John's wife? Hillary Clinton's backer?
Yup. Funny how Hillary Clinton doesn't have to spend a dime to get the most committed votes (and probably the uncommitted, too).
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:16 AM
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37. GM is not headquartered in Dingell's district, but another famous auto company is...nt
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:20 AM
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39. Debbie Dingell is, OFFICIALLY, a registered lobbyist for GM.
As a native Detroiter, I'm quite aware of the location of the Ford Headquarters. As a former Central Office employee of GM/Chevrolet (in the John Z. DeLorean days), I'm a bit more than minimally familiar with auto industry politics.
:shrug:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:35 PM
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23. YOUR STATE PARTY THREW YOU UNDER THE BUS
They broke the rules, they knew they would lose, and they did it anyway.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:22 PM
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24. Funny how the main proponents of this are Clinton supporters and DLCers.
Funny how HER name stayed on the ballot. Cui bono?
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:28 AM
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32. Ya, I'm sure it was all her master plan to get ZERO delegates
think before you post....
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:40 AM
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33. Watch how this develops in the media and at the convention.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:41 AM by TahitiNut
And stuff your condescending, adolescent bullshit where the sun don't shine.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:13 PM
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40. Ya, I'm the one being condescending and adolescent
thanks for the laugh!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:31 PM
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29. No Tahiti
It was primary shenanigans trying to knock Iowa out and move two states, where Hillary was doing well, up to the front. Also a direct attack on Howard Dean. It isn't an accident that Hillary is the only one on the ballot, after she pretended to be against these maneuvers.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:07 AM
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30. The liberal voters of Michigan are lying under the bus ...
... and DUers want to describe the brand of tires on it. :grr:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:11 AM
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31. Look at your state party leaders
They did the same shit to you that they're trying to do to the service workers in Nevada.

This is a fight for the control of the party. Vote uncommitted.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:46 PM
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18. The good news: only Repubs are phoning
So I only have to hang up on half the candidates, not all.

I voted uncommitted. If that invalidates my ballot, so what? The alternative was Hillary? No thanks, not for the primary.

I just hope the folks in MI get over this dis by November, so the state doesn't go "red" this time around. It was "blue" in 04, but not by a wide margin.
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Fading Captain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:19 PM
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19. this could KILL the Dems in the General election
Dem voters in favor of Obama or Edwards are being asked to vote "Uncommitted."

Imagine the republican attack ad:
(sinister voice) Dem voters selected their candidate in the primary. (picture of Obama, assuming he wins). Uncommitted to Michigan.

It's coming.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:24 PM
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25. "Uncommitted" is polling at 33% ... behind Clinton. Gosh. That's convenient.
:eyes:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:29 PM
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20. I think the state Dems fucked up
but the DNC overreacted.

Refusing to seat any of the delegates was really stupid. It was a nasty spiteful move.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:26 PM
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26. there was no over reaction
The rules and punishments was agreed on months earlier and i believe that the DNC did what it could to try and convince the state dems to change their minds.

the state dems refused to budge during the time they were given to do so thus the punishment automatically went into effect
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:32 PM
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21. Michigan broke the rules and moved the primary up, thus nullifying it
Your primary doesn't count. Thank your state party for that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:28 PM
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27. Your party screwed you
Look at who did this, who they've endorsed, and vote accordingly.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:15 AM
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36. The primary was moved by act of state legislature, not by the state party. nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:21 AM
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38. The Democrats didn't have a word to say about Michigan's economy in 2004, when we "played nice"
The Democrats had NO PLANS to come to Michigan regardless of our primary date. Our real crime was to expose how weak the major candidates are on jobs and labor (yes, this includes Mr. free-trade w/ China, John Edwards.)
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