What's you REAL gas milage

There is this neat tool here

http://content.kiplinger.com/tools/gas_mileage/


That converts 2007 MPG estimates to real world test mileage for 2008 mileage and gives a comparison.


For example

The 2007 Prius listed 60MPG city, while the 2008 lists 51MPG city. That's a 17% difference.


Lets take another example

The Honda Accord V6, got 20 city in 2007 an 17 city in 2008. Ooooohhh not a lot of MPG for a "mileage" manufacturer.

Lets try the Chevy Impala V6, in 2007 it got 20MPG in the city, and in 2008 it gets 18, wow better than a Honda Accord!

Honda Ridgeline 4WD 3.5 6 Automatic 2007-16 city highway-21 2008 city-14 2008 highway-19 Wow got to sell lots of Civic and Accord hybrids to make up for that in the CAFE averages.

But of course, this is if you don't lead foot away from stoplights (Sooooo many of you do it's pathetic.) And going 85mph in a 65 mph highway zone (I tried it out this weekend, I had to go 85 to keep up with traffic).

So the real world is catching up with the foreign transplants, or maybe no one here knows anything except one trick pony (the Prius). The rest of the cars and trucks made by these manufacturers are no better than the domestics. In fact, they are probably worse. But why give the Domestics any credit. They are only made by Union workers and aren't sold in Japan (I wonder why we can't sell our cars in japan and Korea, could the answer be protectionist tariffs????)

The appeal of the Honda Accord comes not just from its name brand and history of performance but also its fuel efficiency. The bulk of Accord sales are with the 4-cylinder engines, not the 6-cylinder engines. As a result, when one references that website to look up the 4-cylinder model of the Accord, one gets this:

21 mpg, city; 31 mpg highway

You may be right in comparing the V-6 version of the Accord with the Chevy Impala, but the draw of the Accord isn't with the V-6 engines. Never has, and likely never will be.

I live in a Mississippi town. A lot of people have V-6 Accords as well, but Mississippi isn't representative of total sales of Accords nationwide.

and drove up to Taos last October for the Wool Festival. I used 3/4 of a tank of gas on what was about a 315 mile trip, and that's 3/4 of a ten gallon tank.

That's about 42 MPG on the highway, and I confess to a lead foot.

My old Ford Ranger only did about 30.

That particular site doesn't list my 01 Trans Am, but I remember seing one that had the 08 milage numbers for it. Its rated 19/28, the new 08 number were 17/26 I believe. Which is way below what I actually get! I average around 22mpg which is half city driving and then country roads, and I have reached 31mpg on the interstate going 74mph. Hell, they rated the Corvette 25mpg HWY when they can also reach around 30mpg, and these things are 400+hp monsters now!

I have an 04 Dodge Dakota 4x4 and it averages around 16mpg in town and on my work route, and I assume it can probably get just over 20mpg HWY cause my brother has the same exact truck (same options too) and he's gotten 21mpg on the interstate. The new 08 numbers for it is 13/18.

I dont drive like a grandma but these really are the mpg numbers I'm achieving. Hell, my dad's 97 Crown Vic also gets well over its milage rating. It averages around the same as my T/A and the best its gotten on the HWY is 28mpg. New 08 number on it is 15/23, which is bullshit.

Same speed. Same road conditions. Same weather conditions.
A 1993 Toyota Corolla automatic and a 2000 Dodge Neon standard transmission.
Mile for mile, they got almost identical performance.
37 mpg. Mostly highway miles.
Not too shabby--especially for the older Toyota.

The Ford Escape Hybrid is still the most fuel-efficient SUV you can buy here.
None of the Toyota or Honda SUVs can match it. They also pollute more.

Made in Kansas City by United Auto Workers.



We actually do better than the current EPA figures for it. We get 29 on the highway and it's a 4wd.
At least if we can keep our speed down. It's hard.

Everyone sees this and thinks it says this

My Corolla is rated at 30 MPG city and 38 MPG highway. The gas stations in town all have ethanol added to the gas. The mileage my car gets around town has been about 28 MPG city and 31 to 32 MPG highway.

This summer I took a trip to visit relatives out of state and filled the tank twice on the road at stations in small towns that sold "100 percent" gasoline -- NO ethanol. I was pleasantly surprised that my car's highway mileage went up to a consistent 36 MPG. This, in spite of the fact that we were doing 70 to 75 MPH (and we were being passed by just about everyone else on the road).

I experienced the same kind of mileage difference between ethanol treated gas and gasoline without ethanol several years ago with an old Camry. I switched buying gas between a station that had ethanol added to the gas, and a station that did not use ethanol. I consistently got 3 to 4 more MPG with the untreated gas.

Back then, the excuse given for adding ethanol was that it reduced air pollution. At the time, I questioned how ethanol would reduce the amount of pollution if you burned MORE gas for the same amount of mileage.

Now the reason given for adding ethanol is that it saves oil. The question is the same. How do you save oil if you have to buy MORE gas to drive the SAME number of miles?

Moreover, turning corn into ethanol means that the price of corn goes up and, therefore, the price of FOOD goes UP. We have already seen the price of dairy products go up substantially. Cereal, baked goods, and soft drinks, which use corn syrup are going to rise in price, also. There is no benefit for the people.

I would suggest that the reason for the revised mileage figures is the widespread use of ethanol in gasoline.

Something Obama supports. BTW he receives money from the lobbyist for that industry.

Fuck that noise. listen, LOTS of Americans will go hungry because of the loss of corn to ethanol, Americans who can't buy as much food because of the inflationary spiral of increased corn prices to producers and feed lots.

You want to pitch shit, pitch it in your own thread.

, I checked off the red x too, I don't need to read this crap first thing in the morning. You haters will someday get it before the party fractures.

I know that Honda Inc. claims this thing gets 100mpg,
but y'all know dang well they used some 85lb japanese
freshman to get that figure on a flat track oval.

I'm 215 pounds of flabby 'Merkin whitefish, and I've
been full-throttle busting this little scooter's GUTS
up every hill in town since a week before Xmas...
so far, I'm averaging 85MPG.

I know it ain't no Harley, but I'm willing to put a big bunch
of my EGO on the back burner in return for 85MPG, knowhutImean?

My dad's Kawasaki Vulcan 750 (a V-twin) averages around 50mpg. My first motorcycle will be a new Yamaha R6, a 600cc high performance sport bike. I think they get around 50mpg too, which is pretty good for a bike that can do 0-60 in almost 3.5 seconds.

And about how much does one of those things cost, anyway?

If I may be so bold...

But I've hit that by ACCIDENT already- real top speed
is around 35 on a flat street, and you can easily hit 45
on a nice downhill.

With taxes and Dealer Prep, this one was just under $2300.

That's a bit more than we had planned to spend- we had hoped
to find a used one for maybe $1200 or so, but there just aren't
many used ones on the market around here.

a "Puch", that would do 27 mph on a flat road. Eventually, of course... :-)

I was looking at the prices for a highway-speed-capable scooter but those were like 8 grand. That's why I was curious.

Thanks!

I had a cushman as a kid and sure wish I still had it. I traded it for my first car, a 40 chevy coup that I never got to burn one dollars worth of gas in because it broke down all the time, finally traded it for my first ford and been driving fords since. gave $8.50 for that cushman and had it running in about 5 minutes.

Those things were awesome! I'd love to have one myself-
that's some seriously retro-cool style right there!

We are expecting a high of 6 on Saturday. 6!

No way I'd ever take it out in the rain after dark, for instance!

Or on high-traffic thoroughfares. I'm spending time looking at
city maps, to plan routes from point A to point B that use only
the low-speed residential streets.

But we figure we'll try to use it as much as we can, because every
errand I run on it that leaves the Chrysler sitting at home is an
extra dollar that doesn't get eaten at the gas pump.

I'm comtemplating buying a new full size GMC or CHevy suv to replace my 8yr old one, and it gets 21-22 on the highway. I drive with a light throttle.

It's about longevity. What I'm seeing still shows that the US branded cars just aren't up to snuff when it comes to long term reliability. I see it even in my friends and family, consistently more trouble with US makes, and far fewer on average with Japanese ones.

Oh, my real gas mileage, out of my 1990 Civic, which has only had one problem in the ten years that I've owned it, alternator failure, is as much as 42 MPG.

'bout you

:)

Why, it must be because you didn't install the K&N air filter, the synthetic oil, the super wind breaking wax, the the the.........

In fact, I gotta somehow figure out how the heck to bring it in for an oil change etc.

Sam is getting ready to retire btw. He has so many things physically wrong (like I don't) that it's a struggle for him to work everyday.


We're open Saturdays too, 9-1

And I was planning on tryin to find ya when I go there. I still have an email from ya, from way back when, telling me where you sit lol.

he still thinks only red blooded Republicans go in the military. So sad.

Ahh well. I wish him well just the same.

They show actual mileage averages from real drivers. I've found it to be pretty accurate in regards to the vehicles that I purchase.

Also, it isn't limited to new vehicles which I never purchase.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/

ASSEMBLED in Illinois, not sure where all the parts come from, but the I think the CVT is Japanese and used in Nissans also.

I live in the suburbs and I drive about 100 miles per week. It was getting over 20 in the summer but the cold weather always saps MPG.

I got 24.7 MPG on a 700 mile road trip last summer.

Aren't many Honda's and Toyota's sold here actually made here? Shouldn't the US be encouraging more domestic manufacturing of successful car companies? Do I care if the CEO is American or Japanese if the cars made here with US labor?

That's what it costs me every time I fill up my car.

My personal guideline is that I generally only drive if I'm traveling more than five miles and/or carrying more than 20 pounds of cargo.

Frankly, anyone who can't do that is woefully out of shape.

Alas, every day I see hundreds of folks who disagree.

All my immediate needs are within walking distance.

2006 VW Beetle TDI (diesel).

38 on a Merc 320. And I can get b20 on the way to work in the summer. Wife drives this most of time.

Freaking tank vehicle. Stops and goes like gas, quiet car.

Various company cars range from 21 on f350 diesel to 12 on suburban. (these are purpose vehicles)

This is now available with diesel RS8 500hp 28mpg. 12cyl. (in suv and audi R10 racer now)

That's hot. Very hot.

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because they are really efficient simple machines.

Honda is making a diesel civic, accord and crv, VW makes a great one now, toyota may sell some here.

They last FOREVER. I have an old mercedes 240 with over 250,000 miles. Still going strong at 68Hp.

These are all 50 state cars (not the 240d, by a LONG shot). Even the 110,000 RS8.

On the other end. This diesel makes 96,000HP and millions of ft/lbs of torque. 200 tons of fuel a day. Very efficient same as turbines.

20foot pistons.

28mpg is pretty good for a v-12 diesle, but couldn't they have used a v8 configuration? The Z06 Corvette has a 505hp 7.0 v8 and they get up to 30mpg HWY.

Though that Audie would most likely be faster, cause diesles are torq monsters compared to a similar size gasser.

they are putting a twin scroll 500hp 600ft/lb engine in a super car. A first for diesel.

The torque creates problems they have to plan around.

The race engine makes 600hp or greater.

The diesel makes all its power at 5000rpm in LeMans configuration. This means it will last much longer.

That is a 110,000 car. I WOULD acquire that if possible.

Amazing.

It's for performance. But then my VW Beetle, gets 42 mpg and it's a diesel. The Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI, also huge beast of an engine, but again not for mpg.

Different vehicles for different things.

and it is paid off. The thing holds almost as much as a pick-up, doesn't mind being stuffed to the roof (I have done it several times), and still gets good milage...seats 4 reasonably well, with luggage...and I am still on the original set of brakes at 152K miles (huzzah for a manual transmission). In it, I am cleverly disguised as a "soccar mom".

When it dies, then I will fix up the 1992 Miata and get it running. Watch out for the blond in the red car.

Just gotta be sure I don't get in any wrecks!

It weighs about the same as a toaster...

Hondas highlighted here (and slightly better than the Chevy).

BTW, it's a V6, as well, so we're comparing apples to apples here.

(For the record, because I've actually counted it: 28 highway, 20 city).

Give me a break.

Remember what the Slim Jim guy used to say?


Another red X checked off for stupidity.

Each of them something most people would think of as sort of a gas hog, but in face each of them is relatively economical for the class of vehicle it is.

Our Audi A4 Quatro, a 2002 small engine with a turbo, is not only sporty and comfortable to drive but also gets 34 miles per gallon in our everyday use. Out truck is a monster, about as big as they get and with one of the most powerful motors available (7.3 liter (444 cubic inch) turbo diesel), and is something we use sparingly - only when its power and carring capacity is needed - but it too gets relatively good fuel economy at 18 mpg. My bike - ah, my bike - is a heavyweight, a 2002 Harley Davidson Deuce, it is my great pleasure but also somewhat economical in that it gets an average of 44 mpg during my frequent rides up into the high country.

Now, tell me what I need a Prias for?