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Stop Cornyn

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:19 PM
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Obama and Hillary -- Two Peas in a Centrist Pod. CHALLENGE - find 10 key votes where they differed

There is a thread over in GD-P seeking to identify votes where both Hillary and Obama bothered to vote but where they voted differently. So far, there are only 5 significant differences in votes cast:

March 2007 - Obama voted for redeploying US troops out of Iraq in a year; Hillary voted against the redeployment schedule.

One point for Obama

March 2006 - Obama voted for the creation of the Senate Office of Public Integrity; Hillary voted against it.

One point for Obama

February 2006 - Obama voted against expanding tax cuts on capital gains and dividends; Hillary voted for the expansion.

One point for Obama

August 2005 - Hillary voted against Bush's Energy Policy Act which gave tax cuts to the coal, nuclear, and oil industries while weakening the Clean Water Act and the Safe Drinking Water Act.

One point for Hillary

February 2005 - Hillary voted to preserve the consumers' and workers' rights through protection of the right to class actions; Obama voted against preserving these protections.

One point for Hillary

With this five issue head start, can any Obama or Hillary supporter name ten really significant issues where they both voted and they voted differently?

THERE IS NO REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBAMA AND HILLARY -- VOTE EDWARDS!

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mikelgb

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:21 PM
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1. Vote Kucinich!

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Tejanocrat

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:23 PM
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2. Why, so he can endorse Obama?

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Radical Activist

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:23 PM
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3. Ridiculous premise

Hillary has been voting more liberal knowing that she will need liberal support in the Democratic Primary. The fact that she has taken mostly liberal votes for the last two years is an inadequate way to determine if the two are the same. And if you want to start looking at Senate voting records then Edwards is the one that looks like a moderate.

Still, the votes on withdrawal from Iraq and capital gains tax cuts are big ones.

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Stop Cornyn

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:28 PM
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4. I take you can't find where Obama votes any differently from Hillary, either.

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Radical Activist

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:42 PM
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8. Nice way to avoid discussing my points.

I can find very different career voting records if you want to look at Obama's time in the Illinois Senate and US Senate combined. He has a much, much more consistent progressive record over the last 10 years, more so than Hillary or Edwards both.

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Stop Cornyn

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Tue Jan-15-08 04:08 PM
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9. You're off topic. All of Edwards' votes and most of Clinton's were in a Repub-controlled Senate.

Compromise was necessary to achieve anything in the Repub-controlled Senate.

Obama spent little time in a Repub-controlled Senate, and yet he STILL BEGS TO COMPROMISE!

I'm asking for a head-to-head comparison of where Hillary voted one way and Obama voted another. If Obama had been in the Senate long enough to overlap with Edwards, I would ask the same question, but their terms didn't overlap.

Do you have anything to compare Obama's actual votes against Hillary's actual votes?

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Ravy

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:30 PM
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5. Don't forget Obama's "present" vote on the Iran resolution. nt

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mitchtv

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:34 PM
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6. I believe he was absent

that "present" business applies to his time in IL state ssenate, if I am not mistaken

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Ravy

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Tue Jan-15-08 05:23 PM
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12. I believe you are right. nt

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movonne

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:39 PM
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7. That's why they want to get rid of Edwards...so it won't make any

difference which one gets the nomination..

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Stop Cornyn

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Tue Jan-15-08 04:29 PM
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10. You're so right!

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Tejanocrat

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Tue Jan-15-08 04:39 PM
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11. No takers? No one can identify 10 differences in actual votes between Obama and Hillary? Hmmm...

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Stop Cornyn

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Tue Jan-15-08 07:27 PM
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16. No takers yet. Can't ANY Obama or Hillary supporters show me where they vote differently?

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Perry Logan

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Tue Jan-15-08 05:24 PM
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13. Among other things, politics is a team sport.

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readmoreoften

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Tue Jan-15-08 05:31 PM
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14. So Obama is both some kind of mystical agent of change and your standard team player?

He has some audacity acting like he'll change a damn thing. He isn't even an agent of change in the Senate presently. At least Edwards has the lame excuse of not being able to show his transformation for lack of a current political position. What's Obama's excuse? Oh right, he doesn't have one, he just speechifies and deflects. The Audacity of Nonsense.

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Tejanocrat

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Tue Jan-15-08 06:26 PM
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15. It would be a very significant change to elect a black president. I see little evidence that Obama

would offer any different or better or more change than any other Democratic candidate except in this one very critical area.

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Stop Cornyn

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Wed Jan-16-08 04:11 PM
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17. I agree,. The "change" that Obama promises is mainly a change in the race of the president, which is

far from meaningless, but that about where his change begins and ends.

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