CIA leak case — have been taped over and are gone forever.

White House reused e-mail tapes By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
11 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The White House has acknowledged recycling its backup computer tapes of e-mail before October 2003, raising the possibility that many electronic messages — including those pertaining to the CIA leak case — have been taped over and are gone forever.

The disclosure came minutes before midnight Tuesday under a court-ordered deadline that forced the White House to reveal information it has previously refused to provide.

Among the e-mails that could be lost are messages swapped by any White House officials involved in discussions about leaking a CIA officer's identity to reporters.

Before October 2003, the White House recycled its backup tapes "consistent with industry best practices," according to a sworn statement by a White House aide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080116/ap_on_go_pr_wh/white_house_e_mail

It appears that everything "should" be archived since 2003. Before that, they might have less granularity of snapshots for earlier periods prior. Some email might be missing between those snapshots if it was sent and all copies everywhere deleted before the next retained snapshot.

Not enough information to really evaluate how big a problem this really is.

<sound of crickets>

justice.

There are laws prohibiting this, and those who are responsible must go to jail. period.

that would explain their discouraging lack of enthusiasm for the investigation.

Don't forget to wear your safety goggles against the concussion from the slap on the wrist the WH will get.

This will be who we are forever.

I work in financial services. If I can justify every penny of a million-dollar payment I issued four years ago, then my audit department has broad powers of retribution. And excuses amounting to "the dog ate it" just don't pass muster.

You'd think that the Whitehouse would be held to a higher stander of transparency and disclosure than an anonymous bean-counter like me.

How about the backup tapes from the RNC? Remember the big flack over the WH using the RNC servers specifically to get around the retention system?

The other thing is...How does that WH email system work? Is it completely internal or does it go through some external servers? My guess is that it's connected to external serfvers somewhere BECAUSE if it were all intrnal, they wouldn't be able to send any emails outside of the WH!

There are also prosecutable charges here, IMO. As I understand it, WH records are to be retained FOREVER for historical purposes. THAT means, wether it's the industry standard or not, they weren't PERMITTED to recycle them....EVER!

Most compliance attorneys would likely disagree. Points for creativity in legal interpretation. Just call it, the "18 million minute gap." :eyes:

But can't some of that be recovered anyway? I thought nothing was ever totally erased?

This was obviously obstruction and done on purpose but wouldn't it be appropriate to try to recover something?

EW!!! :grr:

But, violating it does show criminal intent, which would go toward proving an OOJ charge.

See, Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978
Presidential Libraries Laws and Regulations Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978.
www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

When are these brutally corrupt criminals going to be appropriately charged and convicted and taken forever OUT of destroying this nation?

When?

This nation will fall before it can even begin on a path towards recovery if these tyrants aren't held accountable for at least some of their many MANY crimes against their own country and against humanity, in general.

After that, the gloves come off. One member of the the DC Circuit already said he's getting ready for a long string of prosecutions.

Just make sure the GOP doesn't steal or void the next election. Vote, and make sure it counts!

,...scumbuckets' illegal activities FROM HERE FORTH.

See, that's where I have concern. The scumbuckets have gotten this far, without substantive limits imposed, and may go ahead and take their agenda further because they have nothing to lose, personally.

Those who haven't been fired or indicted, that is.

It's called "removal in place", explained here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/18/10343/6778

The heads of those agencies generally serve a different creature from those cogs in their wheels. I suppose the cogs could be coordinating an effort to 'SAVE' democracy from tyranny,...but, somehow, I doubt that.

He's a ceremonial fixture who's had his plug pulled. They didn't want to, but they had to.

,...on the peoples' interests and this nation's health as a democracy (selfish, greedy scum-of-the-earth that he is and will be to the day he dies).

And that scumdweller still has his hands on the wheel, along with his BFEE bud, Bush Sr and their lot of power-brokers.

Rummy was, but he's gone. The "Crazy Cheney is in control of the White House and will call in B-52 air strikes with nuclear bunker-busters tomorrow" thing was a psywar ploy.

Didn't have the desired effect of provoking Iran into doing something stupid, so it's been dropped.

There ain't shit left!! Plain and simple. These people are the sneakiest of the sneaks, the slimiest of slime, and probably about the smartest bunch of MF'ers out there. They've got their tracks so covered that even a bloodhound couldn't find a clue.

That's my humble opinion, of course.

sigh

always excuses

excuses for wrong doing
excuses for lack of accountability

nothing but excuses

Some highly trained computer tech surely knows how to retrieve the info from the hard drives...no?

Since when has the Government been an industry? While private business may follow such practice, government does not...and I am sure they know that..

when required by law to archive content of that nature...

sP

archival is not consistent with industry best practices, and in the areas of banking, education, health services, etc., would be a violation of federal laws.

Its obvious
:argh:

Too bad it'll probably never happen.

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couldn't many of those involved have their computers impounded and searched for emails they recieved from the white house?

does the court really care?? because if they did they would subpoena each and every person in the west wings personal computers!

fly

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