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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:35 AM Original message |
Hillary on sovereign wealth funds - or, "Why the best law firms have retrodigitized records." |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Here's some background for us Sovereign Wealth Fund novices (like me;): |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I can help get you up to speed, and Mark Penn is TOAST. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Go ahead...I prefer lean turkey, NOT FAT CAT! ;) |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Well, the turkey on this one is pretty plump. |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. She uses alot of terminology, but missed the point. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Her inner circle's ties to the thieves is part of the point, and the problem. |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. For clarification: |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. "and shows that HRC doesn´t have the facts." |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
61. I think she's borrowing a page from the Bush playbook... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Greed, debt, and slight of hand go together. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I play the pea under the shell game very well. |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. OK, you are obviously clever ... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Because that junk is debt of Americans. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. And because Robert Rubin thinks it's nifty keen. |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Clarification please? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. It represents debt and assets extracted through greed based |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. It's less about being clever, and more about being informed. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. But I thought she was so hands-on and detail-oriented? |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Because she is a politician, they do not get paid |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You're being sarcastic, right? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. lol! |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
7. Burson-Marsteller represents sovereign wealth funds in at least two emirates!!! |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That's just the tip of a very large iceberg for both Clintons. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
49. I wish I had your optimism, but the way I see it, |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Faith + facts + funding = solution set |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Doesn't NBC have the facts yet? n/t |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Their factcheckers have been outsourced to the Bermuda Triangle. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. It seems like the rest of us have gone there as well. n/t |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Pass the Howard Dean Bronzer, will ya? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Interesting theory... |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #63 |
73. The proof is in the pardons. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. Thanks Ides. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Don't thank me. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
9. Penn is FILTH |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Penn is the Democratic version of Grima Wormtongue. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Yes Filth. More on Clinton Chief Strategist-Mark Penn: |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. WaPo: "A Few Degrees of Separation From Hillary Clinton's Top Advisor": |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. How do you think Mark will look in orange? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. So that's why they're keeping oil prices high |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Now just stop it. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I'd rather be an asp in the sandal. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Think about it |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. A toast to sound reasoning. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Excatly right |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Think she picked him by accident? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. lol! |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. At least I can see that Magic 8 Ball. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. .but, but, but.... we need her EXPERIENCE, don't we? Don't we? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. No We DON"T! |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I agree. We don't need her "Experience". Just trying to inject a little humor. But ... |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Inject away. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. No. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
110. Thanks for sharing the fruits of your research in this thread. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
17. K&R |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. IMHO this is a most critical time given the next President is likely to be a Democrat.... |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. The Corporatists on both sides of the aisle are trying to sell us out, Blackhat. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. That is it in a nutshell.... and it will continue unabated until we take strong action to stop it. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I'd be interested in seeing Edwards' short list for US Attorneys. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. You can bet they would be a very busy bunch once Edwards took office... |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Making money the old fashioned way... |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. We have a winner! |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Comprehensive. Most comprehensive. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
56. hillary a corporatist vamipre?? |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Inconvenient facts are like wooden stakes. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
58. What is your point? |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I would urge you to familiarize yourself with the Clintons' and Mark Penn's dealings w/ these funds. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Do have any links or articles to help enlighten me? nt |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. here you go |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Thank you. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. OK |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You're right. Hillary is fresh as the newdriven snow on these matters. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Why thanks! |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. She already "reigns" in these funds. Again, you speak truth. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Nah |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. HRC's donors sure know how to spell, "our gal" in the memo line of their checks. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. yes indeed |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Shouldn't she be wearing red? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. now if she did that |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Oh, sorry. I thought it was an open secret. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Hillary's Ranger |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Corporatists of a snout, etc. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. Uh-huh |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. But Hillary says it's not a "game," right? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #99 |
112. "the game" |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. proposing is easy on the campaign trail |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Don't stand too close, you'll get a contact high. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. That's not it at all |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. You're putting Edwards in bed with Skadden?!? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. lol |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Those should come with a serious black box warning, whatever they are. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Try looking at the list of his top contributors |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Hello, no more insults? nt |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Have a heaping helping of facts. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Ok... it's a search engine |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. You got spoonfed from OpenSecrets, but can't feed yourself with the raw data. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. What you've proven |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. OK. You're right. Now, please go away. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #114 |
132. No problem. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Now you know how OpenSecrets gets those open secrets, though. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
111. Willful suspension of disbelief. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. the implication is that the Clinton's did something |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Except the facts are there for those without blinders on. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. you're not fooling anyone, Dave. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Good to know that you're a conflater. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. good to know you're a sock puppet. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Nope, just a good and longtime friend. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. That's pretty much it. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Just put Mark Penn in a good google search. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. you know what happens when you can't attack the message |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. They make me laugh so hard, I snort, to tell the truth. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. What would be helpful |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Or maybe you might learn to use a search engine. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Which is why you don't |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Go run and play with your marbles. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #105 |
115. fascinating how you resort to denigrating the intelligence |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. Sometimes I have a higher tolerance for willful ignorance than he does. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. I often feel the same way |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Do you write your own material? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. of course I do |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Listen, Lambchop. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. You can call him Jacques, and give him a Parisian accent. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. You already do a fine mimic of a rightwing nut. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. par for the course |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. I could kiss you. Absurdity is the handmaiden and midwife of comedy. |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. We drank a toast to you at FondueFest 08. |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Looks like I missed a party here! |
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IdesOfOctober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. "And anuther thang!" |
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133. Leftchick is not the only person |
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130. Only, it isn't. |
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