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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:49 PM
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Is it illegal to arrest a US senator?
One of my little right wing buddies, in a discussion about Larry Craig, said:

"Craig was on official Senate business when he was arrested. Once he identified himself as a U.S. Senator his arrest was illegal under the U.S. Constiution and he should have been released. He was too stupid and ignorant not to have made that claim."


:wtf:

So a US senator can't be arrested if he is in his way to or from DC? What if he murders someone?



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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:50 PM
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1. if that were true,
wouldn't have craig's lawyers jumped on that?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:53 PM
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2. It is not illegal to arrest a US senator.
Perhaps he is thinking (?) about ambassadors from other countries? Diplomatic immunity doesn't apply to US senators breaking the law in the USA.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:55 PM
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10. See #5 below. n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 06:01 PM
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29. Huh, thanks. How about that?
Coming or going. huh. Thanks for the correction.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:53 PM
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3. No. Your right wing buddy (is he really your buddy?) is totally wrong.
Wrong about the Constitution - it says nothing abut protecting U.S. senators from arrest. Wrong about Craig - he was on official senate business in the men's room??! What does "official senate business constitute these days, anyway??!

Wrong about everything, your little right wing buddy.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:54 PM
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6. Actually, it does. See #5 below.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:55 PM
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7. Yes it does
see below.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:38 PM
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30. Well, fuck me.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:54 PM
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4. I seem to recall that it is true.
I think Craig's lawyers tried to use that in their appeal or their request to withdraw the guilty plea.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:54 PM
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5. Article 1, Section 6
Section. 6.

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:55 PM
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9. Thanks.
I knew that was around here somewhere. :)
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:00 PM
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15. "...during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses."
This only applies in the Capitol when the Senate is in session.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:16 PM
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24. Next sentence
"and in going to and returning from the same" - he was on his way back to the capitol. It's a stupid rule but there it is.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:40 AM
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34. Not really a stupid rule, if you think about it. You could have had someone arresting
all members who were going to vote for or against something and locking them up for 48 hours to prevent them from getting to DC to vote.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:00 PM
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16. So what about Cynthia McKinney?
Why was she detained when she got into that scuffle with the security guy?

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:50 PM
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31. The constitutional provision at issue is very narrow. Not invoked by Janklow or Craig
The immunity provided by Article I, SEction 6 is very narrow. On its face it doesn't apply to arest for "Felony or Breach of the Peace". See below:
"They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same"

But the SCOTUS held 100 years ago that it applies to any criminal charge,even a misdemenor. Which is why Janklow and Craig didnt raise. On occasion it get thrown around to avoid arrest, such as when Robert Byrd had a fender bender and talked his way out of a ticket by citing the constitution. But, in fact, the police aren't constitutionally barred from giving a ticket to a member of Congress even though they sometimes think that they are or choose to use the constitional provision as an excuse to avoid a dust up with a prominent person.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:55 PM
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8. I believe it is ONLY if they are on their way to vote.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:01 PM
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19. Well if the Senate now votes in the restroom at the Minneapolis airport,
he's home free. :)
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:57 PM
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11. In fact, yes, they *can* kill someone....
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 04:00 PM by Ravy
Can't find a link, but a Rep lawmaker killed someone a couple of years ago DUI.

on edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Janklow
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:58 PM
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13. Bill Janklow, but he wasn't DUI.
He was just his usual inattentive self.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:01 PM
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18. right, speeding... I put DUI in the search (faulty memory on my part)
so that is why I couldn't find the link.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:03 PM
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21. Also (faulty memory again) it was just that the family couldn't sue him. nt
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:03 PM
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22. He could have just as well been DUI
He hit a motorcycle at an intersection on an empty rural road on a perfect day.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:41 PM
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26. Believe or not
Janklow doesn't even have a criminal record from that conviction. The judge issued a suspended imposition of sentence, which effectively removes the felony from his record.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Jan21/0,4675,JanklowProbation,00.html
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:57 PM
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12. Imagine that - Craig not knowing the Constitution n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:58 PM
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14. Killing somebody would qualify as a breach of peace.
So would offering a cop a blow job.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:01 PM
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17. Official busines? Did he wipe with the Constitution?
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:03 PM
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20. He was traveling between his home in Idaho and his home in Washington, D.C.
He was not going directly to the Senate. No one was interfering with his ability to do his duties in Washington, D.C., except himself.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:13 PM
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23. Police can not detain Reps, Judges, Senators, Electors when
they are on their way to conduct *Official* business. Craig was doing a different kind of business.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:43 PM
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27. So what about Cynthia McKinney?
Wasn't she detained?
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:30 AM
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32. Was she on her way to vote? I don't recall and I should have been more specific
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 01:30 AM by genie_weenie
I know Illinois law does not allow for the detaining the above mentioned for traffic offenses and misdeamenors. However for Felony offenses I believe they can be detained and battery of a police officer, when said officer, is clearly identified is a felony.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:18 PM
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25. post #5 = hysterical (republican official business: blowjobs!)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :patriot:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:53 PM
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28. So when is anonymous gay sex in airport bathrooms considered official business?
I must have missed that meeting. :eyes:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:37 AM
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33. when THEY do it
:)
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:26 AM
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35. So, according the the RWers, soliciting for sex in public is "official business"?
Well, I guess that is true for them, just business as usual. Fucking over the common people everywhere and anywhere is the only "official business" their party ever conducts.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:58 PM
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36. Well actually this means the US Senate is now meeting in the Minneapolis airport restroom
:)
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