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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:23 PM
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Barack's statement about Reagan......
How does everyone feel about it?


"Now, it is blasphemy for Democrats," Obama pollster Cornell Belcher said of Reagan, "but that hope and optimism that was Ronald Reagan" allowed him to "transcend" ideological divisions within his own party and the general electorate.

Yes, Reagan made the country feel better about itself and then he proceeded to trash the country. What really is Obama offering besides this "hope"?

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:25 PM
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1. Isn't Obama's book full of talk about the "failure of liberalism"
Truth is that Reagan won because he made racism fashionable again.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:39 PM
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12. I haven't read his book yet. n/t
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:25 PM
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2. The newbie posters find it admirable
One might even say they are freeper lurkers


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:38 PM
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11. LOL
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:26 PM
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3. Hope? Optimism?
What the *&%# has Obama's pollster been smoking?
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:28 PM
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4. The people are all out of hope...
They want results this time.

Obama.... You don't ask for control of the Government back, you take it back from Corporate America & the Wealthy Elite, who have been screwing over the rest of us for years.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:30 PM
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5. I really don't want to slam
Obama, I'm just trying to figure out where the hell he's coming from.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:31 PM
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6. Second strike.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:36 PM
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9. Huh? n/t
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:32 PM
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7. What really is Obama offering.......?
Obama wants to try and do for progressive ideals what Reagan did for conservative ideals.

You have a problem with trying to create a more progressive country?

Or would you rather continue the intra-party sniping thats been the hallmark of America's political scene since Clinton won in 1992?

Thats what he meant.

He didnt mean he wants to adopt Reagan's policies.

(Of course you Clintonites know that, but like the Republicans you claim to hate you love Swiftboating someone to win at all costs.)
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:36 PM
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8. Bite me......
I'm asking questions here. I don't have an axe to grind with Obama. I'll vote for whichever one of the candidates that win the primary.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:40 PM
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13. Reagan brought nothing to conservatives.
He was nothing, just a B actor that hated minorities. Obama needs to read up on people before opening his mouth. Might as well have thanked Nixon for China.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:38 PM
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10. It's morning in America again! n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:40 PM
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14. This pug love fest hugh ugh, I'm not going for it. May as well vote for one.
:puke:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:41 PM
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15. Maybe not much else
But with the electorate of this country, that might be the right way to go.

I'm series. The number of hugh morans in this country is astounding. No one ever questions that the positive thinking crap will resonate with them.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:52 PM
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16. Obama Panders to Right, Throws Democrats Under the Bus
Obama Panders to Right, Throws Democrats Under the Bus
By SusanUnPC on January 17, 2008 at 7:24 PM in Ronald Reagan, Obama, Current Affairs

Obama said what? That the GOP has been the party of ideas for the last ten to fifteen years? Are you kidding me?

In one fell swoop, Obama disparages the success-filled, non-stop efforts of millions of people during the 1960s and 1970s, efforts that Matt Stoller lists vividly at Open Left blog:

Obama admires Reagan because he agrees with Reagan’s basic frame that the 1960s and 1970s were full of ‘excesses’ and that government had grown large and unaccountable.

Those excesses, of course, were feminism, the consumer rights movement, the civil rights movement, the environmental movement, and the antiwar movement. The libertarian anti-government ideology of an unaccountable large liberal government was designed by ideological conservatives to take advantage of the backlash against these ‘excesses’.

It is extremely disturbing to hear, not that Obama admires Reagan, but why he does so. Reagan was not a sunny optimist pushing dynamic entrepreneurship, but a savvy politician using a civil rights backlash to catapult conservatives to power.

I remember what I did in 1981 after Ronald Reagan became president. I spent every lunch hour in downtown Seattle gathering signatures on Sierra Club petitions demanding that President Ronald Reagan fire James Watt, his Secretary of the Interior who was ready to bulldoze and sell off those “excesses” that Obama disparages — our country’s national parks, national lands, the Endangered Specist Act, the Marine Mammal Protection Act, and on and on.

It was clear to me that President Reagan was trying to undo all the progressive gains that our nation had made in the last decades.

I felt like I was part of a desperate fight to stop us from sliding backwards.



Unfortunately ( fortunate for them) most of the youth supporting Obama didn't live under Reagan..so they are clueless to the disaster we are still living under brought to us by St.Ronald Reagan..
it was a time that saw the poor get poorer..the mentally ill set out of hospitals and into the streets helpless ..job security was totally trashed under St. Ronny..a time of destroying unions and worker safety..and good paying jobs became a thing of the past....it was a time of greed by the wealthiest.

and the debt they left the middle class...the crooks had their debt paid off by the middle class who took it in the ass big time..

so go ahead and support someone who thinks so well of a man who sold out the working man..the job lost will be yours..the family member put out in the streets sick ...may be yours..and the drugs st ronny brought into this country perhaps will effect your family member..since so uch is today being produced in Afganistan..

but you will now have responsibility for it...


fly
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:07 PM
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18.  Exactly , anyone who has one good thing to say about Reagan
It out of their minds , Reagan did nothing other than destroy years of hard work and bring on the first wave of deestruction and is no different than Bush jr .

Obama should just drop out and hang his hope filled head in shame .
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:54 PM
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17. If Obama lived thru the Raygun terror years at all
he would have had a hard time trying to talk about uniting.

He was a divider, a rank liar, and worthless excuse for a human being.
A paid shill for the military-industrial complex for practically his whole life.

Pink Floyd's album "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" is one of my favorites, and that song pretty much sums up the whole life-story of this incompetent commie-baiting nutball.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:36 PM
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25. A Mometary Lapse of Reason
Pink Floyd - Yet Another Movie lyrics,
from the album "A Momentary Lapse of Reason"

One sound, one single sound
One kiss, one single kiss
A face outside the window pane
However did it come to this?
A man who ran, a child who cried
A girl who heard, a voice that lied
The sun that burned a fiery red
The vision of an empty bed
The use of force, he was so tough
She'll soon submit, she's had enough
The march of fate, the broken will
Someone is lying very still
He has laughed and he has cried
He has fought and he has died
He's just the same as all the rest
He's not the worst, he's not the best
And still this ceaseless murmuring
The babbling that I brook
The seas of faces, eyes upraised
The empty screen, the vacant look
A man in black on a snow white horse,
A pointless life has run its course,
The red rimmed eyes, the tears still run
As he fades into the setting sun

--------------
A mimic of Raygun's voice is in background.
Not hard to guess who this song is about.


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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:09 PM
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19. Just another example of why I'm not voting for him under any circumstances. eom
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:18 PM
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23. That did it for me. nt
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:09 PM
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20. Reagan's hope was purchased
in the short term by pushing the expense off into the future.

The future is now. The bill is coming due. The collector is at the door.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:14 PM
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21. In response to what Obama is really offering besides hope, (a liberal version of Reagan)
Obama is offering to be a liberal version of Reagan, an extreme liberal who appeals to moderates.

Check the voting records of Clinton and Obama, Obama has a more liberal voting record then Clinton, I believe he's ranked as the 12th most liberal senator in congress. People who think his talk about Reagan means he's a DINO are overacting. There's actually been articles written about Obama a while ago about how he was sort of basing his campaign off of Reagan's, talking about stuff like hope a lot and uniting the country, exploiting the flaws of an unpopular incumbent president of the opposite party to grab some moderates of the other party, and plenty of independents, over to his side, despite the fact that he's such a liberal politician.

Hillary on the other hand (who's the only other democrat with a realistic shot at the nomination at this point, sorry Edward's supporters) is much more of a DINO, while at the same time causing moderates to be repulsed away from her because she's so polarizing.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:15 PM
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22. He's offering the opportunity to use that "hope and optimism"...
...to move the country back in the right direction.

And we ignore that point at our own peril.

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MS Liberal Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:31 PM
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24. He is a fraud!!! Is only out for himself.
He needs to withdraw from the race. I hope every African American get a look at him sitting there praising Ronald Regan and dissing Bill Clinton. He does not speak for me. He is not ready. This is one AA woman who will not vote for him at this time for President. He is not ready.

As I have said many times, I am voting for Hillary. If he becomes President and becomes another Regan Democract, you all will be to blame. After all it was the left wing of the Democratic Party who supported Ralph Nader and elected George Bush. Let's get it right this time.

Present.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:39 AM
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26. You really have to have an IQ. to understand Barack's Reagan comment...
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