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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:28 PM
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$20,000 dollars per hour for the last 2,000 years
I just heard a statisitic that says that the current annual US War Budget is the equivalent of $20,000/hour adding every hour since Christ was born?

Is this true?

Sorry for the bad wording.

Anyone good at math?
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gilpo Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:31 PM
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1. 24*365*2000*20000=350400000000
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 01:32 PM by gilpo
$350,400,000,000 $350BB? Sounds about right
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:25 PM
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24. Yah, right order of magnitude. nt
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:37 PM
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2. way off . . .
That would be about 1.75 trillion per year for 200 years.

2007 total military expenditures were a tad over 600 Billion.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:41 PM
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4. I didn't get that at all.
I got $175,200,000 per year.
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:45 PM
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7. He's only off by a factor of 10,000.
Maybe he's an attorney and is counting billable hours...
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:56 PM
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8. actually off by a factor of 1000
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:06 PM
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10. Umm, no. Wrong again.
175,200,000 x 10 = 1,752,000,000
175,200,000 x 100 = 17,520,000,000
175,200,000 x 1,000 = 175,200,000,000
175,200,000 x 10,000 = 1,752,000,000,000

Saying that it's 1.752 trillion per year is 10,000 times more than the correct figure of 175.2 million per year.

20,000 x 24 hours = 480,000 per day
480,000 x 365 = 175,200,000 per year
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:19 PM
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14. well - 175,200,000 is wrong
it is 1,752,000,000

per year for 200 years of U.S. history. . . .

2000 years
times 24 hours
times 365 days
times 20,000 dollars

equals 1,752,000,000 per year for 200 years of U.S. history

hence I was off by a factor of 1000
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:30 PM
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15. The lifetime of the U.S. is entirely irrelevant to the original question,
which was the following statement in the OP: "I just heard a statisitic that says that the current annual US War Budget is the equivalent of $20,000/hour adding every hour since Christ was born"

Your number is completely irrelevant to that fact.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:33 PM
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17. then you are assuming there was a U.S.war budget for 2000 years
there obviously wasn't since the U.S. has a 200 year history. I am trying to equate that number to a realistic annual budget. It is relevant.

What does that total amount work out to annually - assuming a 200 year history.

geez
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:35 PM
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18. We're not talking about the average per year since the U.S. began.
The fact that the U.S. has existed for 200 years is irrelevant. The OP clearly refers to the current annual war budget. I.e., how much are we actually spending this year?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:50 PM
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20. I do understand that . . . never mind
you may consider anything you wish as irrelevant . . .
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:10 PM
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22. Actually, it's not me,
it's the original post. The original post talked about the current amount we are spending in one year. It divided that by the length of time since Christ was born to get an hourly amount over 2,000 years. How does the amount we are actually spending this year divided by the age of the country apply to anything?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:57 PM
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9. well - I think we are both wrong
isn't it 1,752,000,000

a billion and 3/4
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:11 PM
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11. I'm sorry, dude,
but I think you should just give up now. The correct number is 175,2000,000 per year, and Christ was born 2,000 years ago, not 200. (You do know that windows has a built in calculator, yes?) ;-)
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:13 PM
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12. Fuzzy math.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:16 PM
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13. well - I am considering only 200 years of U.S. defense spending
plus - you have way too many digits between commas
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:33 PM
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16. You can consider whatever you want to,
but it has nothing to do with the accuracy of the original post or your original response to it. It would be like me saying that I'm actually considering only the money spent since Tuesday. Might be interesting, but it doesn't affect the truth of the OP.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:49 PM
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19. well thank you very much . . .I admitted to an error in the original post
For Christ's sake - what do you want from me . . .
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:02 PM
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21. I want you to acknowledge the essential truth of the OP,
because you began this conversation by absolutely denying it. You have admitted to one math error, but have never admitted the truth of the OP.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:11 PM
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23. well - actually the calculated amount is only about 55% or so of the
2008 Defense Dept budget.
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:37 PM
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25. Which makes perfect sense,
since the entire resources of the DOD are not being directly applied to the war. The OP talked specifically about the "war budget", i.e., the expenses directly attributable to Afghanistan and Iraq. That wouldn't count bases in Korea or Japan or wherever, or any of the massive bureaucracies or support services for stateside personnel, etc.

In addition, I don't think that most of the monies spent on Iraq and Afghanistan are included in the regular annual DOD budget, anyway. Bush keeps asking for special appropriations to cover that stuff.

Other posters have agreed with you on the approximate total annual DOD budget, so this amount for just the "war budget" could be about right. Add up the amounts Bush has asked Congress for in the past year to pay for operations in theater, and it may very well be close to the $350 billion figure.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:40 PM
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3. Oh please, let's just put it on the middle income tax payer's tab and get
On with it. <It being the war against Iran.>

It's not like these dollar amounts are real, or anything.

We at Halliburton are doing better than ever!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:43 PM
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5. They only paid me $79 a month when I (stupidly) joined up.
4 years later, I was making a whopping $165 a month.

Then they asked me to re-enlist.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:18 PM
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6. Way too little. That wouldn't even cover half the military budget for 2008.
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XboxWarrior Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:40 PM
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26. Ya'll suck....
@ math......;)
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:04 PM
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27. Current 2008 budget is about $600,000,000,000. Compare that to
$350,400,000,000.
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:53 PM
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28. The OP wasn't talking about the entire military budget...
...just the "war budget." Presumably, they meant just what we're spending to be in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think this is mostly "off-budget" in the traditional sense; i.e., it's not part of the regular annual DOD appropriations bill.
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