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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:46 PM
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"…the ballots shall not be counted in secret." EDEARDS & the SC Constitution Scoop/autorank
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:03 AM by autorank



Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0801/S00151.htm

"…the ballots shall not be counted in secret."

South Carolina Constitution



An Appeal to John Edwards to Take a Stand for Voting Rights


http://tinyurl.com/yyqnd4">Michael Collins
http://www.scoop.co.nz/sections/comment.html">"Scoop" Independent News
Washington, DC

Media, election, and judicial reform advocate Mark Adams, JD, MBA of Tampa, Florida discovered something very important in the South Carolina Constitution. It provides for secret voting but bans secret vote counting.
All elections by the people shall be by secret ballot, but the ballots shall not be counted in secret. The right of suffrage, as regulated in this Constitution, shall be protected by laws regulating elections and prohibiting, under adequate penalties, all undue influence from power, bribery, tumult, or improper conduct. South Carolina Constitution, Article II, Section 1

The South Carolina primary occurs Saturday Jan. 19th for Republicans and the following Saturday the 26th for Democrats. With a recount in New Hampshire and the questions about that outcome, we may be looking at a series of questionable results in subsequent primaries. U.S. meddling in elections overseas has blown back to "the homeland." Secret vote counting is one of the key elements driving questions and forms a core criticism of the various state election schemes.

In a Zogby Poll in August 2006, 92% of the respondents said yes to the question: "Citizens have the right to view and obtain information about how election officials count votes." In the same poll of over 1000 registered voters, over half expressed little to no confidence in the 2004 elections.

Welcome to 2008

On January 16, 2008, Mark Adams sent this email to candidate John Edwards and others in the campaign offering a perfect opportunity to strike a blow for voters of both parties to challenge secret vote counting.

"Subject: Senator Edwards, Will You Take Action to Make Sure that South Carolina's Elections Comply with its Constitution

"Senator Edwards:

"I heard your call for eliminating touch screen voting machines. Of course, being from South Carolina you are certainly aware of its use of touch screen voting machines. Last Friday afternoon, I looked into South Carolina's use of the infamous iVotronic touch screen voting machines, and I discovered that it's banned by South Carolina's Constitution.

"Some of the key information from my article "South Carolina Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL" I published on Monday January 14, 2008 on OpEdNews.com follows.

"Article II, § 1 of the Constitution of South Carolina states, "the ballots shall not be counted in secret." Although there is case law which supports the right to have votes counted in public, this is the election integrity jackpot, a Constitutional provision prohibiting counting votes in secret! No more need to refer to case law, evidence, or logic to argue against secret vote counting, at least in South Carolina.

"Many are worried about election integrity. In fact, a Zogby poll from August of 2006 indicates that 92% of Americans are worried about our votes being counted in secret. See, Zogby Poll

"South Carolina is the best opportunity to make a case against allowing computers to count the votes in secret. I've discussed this with two leading election law advocates who have also brought election contests. They both think that this is the best opportunity to act that they have seen. The South Carolina Constitution prohibits secret vote counting! The election reform community expects one of the Presidential candidates to take action. Snip

"You know what to do, but to help expedite things, I suggest that you or your representative send a letter to the South Carolina State Election Commission pointing out that using touch screen computers to count the votes in secret violates the prohibition in Article II, § 1 against secret vote counting, and I would demand that they take immediate action to implement the use of paper ballots which are counted by hand in public to conduct the upcoming primary. I would notify them that you will take legal action as soon as possible to seek an injunction requiring that the election process comply with Article II or postponing the primaries until such time as they can be conducted in a Constitutional manner." Snip

Carpe diem,
Mark A. Adams JD/MBA (Full letter here)

Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again

In a very real sense, each primary will be about doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. We've got federally mandated and funded electronic voting machines throughout the United States thanks to the bipartisan Help America Vote Act and billions of taxpayer dollars. We have just a few voting machine types, with demonstrated security problems in every state. And we have the foundation for suspicion and disaffection with the political process through secrecy and obscurity in voting systems, regulations. All this is consistently dismissed by a political class irritated with the increasing demands for openness and accountability.

One more ingredient in the mix is the foreshortened primary season. We're rushed to pick a final candidate through "super" Tuesdays designed to force a selection with months to go before the national conventions this summer. What do we really know about the leaders in the field? One thing for certain is that they're the best funded of the lot. They have to be. The compressed primary schedule requires one thing above all others, money and lots of it.

So we're on the precipice of what has to be the most important election in the nation's history given the stakes and all we've got is the vulgar quatrain of anti democratic processes in place: heavily funded campaigns from private interests (i.e., legalized bribery); ongoing voter suppression of the poor and minorities; secret vote counting; and a rush to judgment that prevents real deliberation and debate. It's another mission accomplished by The Money Party.

"Those few of you who still think that we can trust having our votes counted in secret will be happy to know that your view is shared by many powerful and influential people. For example, Joseph Stalin said, "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." If you want to roll back the evolution of civilization from citizen influence over government to a form of feudalism, then you might as well quit reading now."

Mark Adams, JD, MBA


END

This article may be reproduced in part or whole with attribution of authorship and a link to the article in "Scoop" Independent News.


VoteCount2008.org - Adams web page
Mark Adams at FCC hearings, Tampa.
South Carolina Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Mark Adams



Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0801/S00151.htm





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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:51 PM
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1. fix this link sweetie
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 11:51 PM by seemslikeadream



Many are worried about election integrity. In fact, a Zogby poll from August of 2006 indicates that 92% of Americans are worried about our votes being counted in secret. See, Zogby Poll


"You know what to do, but to help expedite things, I suggest that you or your representative send a letter to the South Carolina State Election Commission pointing out that using touch screen computers to count the votes in secret violates the prohibition in Article II, § 1 against secret vote counting, and I would demand that they take immediate action to implement the use of paper ballots which are counted by hand in public to conduct the upcoming primary. I would notify them that you will take legal action as soon as possible to seek an injunction requiring that the election process comply with Article II or postponing the primaries until such time as they can be conducted in a Constitutional manner." Snip

Carpe diem,
Mark A. Adams JD/MBA (Full letter here)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:04 AM
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2. "You can always depend on the kindness of strangers."

I've been looking at that eye continuously. I feel compelled to become a Mason;)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:11 AM
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3. Very good idea. Wow, follow the law? Imagine that!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:38 AM
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5. I guess you and I are just "law -and-order" folks at heart
:shrug:

I'm sick of these liberal interpretations of the obvious, like this wonderful language, that first
sentence of the section, damn.

"All elections by the people shall be by secret ballot, but the ballots shall not be counted in secret."

And, I'll bet they meant it because that's the way it was - viva voce - word of mouth.

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:39 AM
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16. Never thought us Dems would be the law and order party. The wording
reminded me of this segment of a favorite movie.

"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... ... And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Amen."
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:14 AM
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4. I like that!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:44 AM
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6. Yep, and they meant it.
The flag is outstanding. Don't know what the fuss was but this is a flag I would mind flying over
my state house, although ours has a nice sentiment.



But I'd take SC for style any day. "It's better to look good than to feel good."
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:04 AM
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7. Your Virginia flag is a fine flag.
I love the statement, and may 'Sic Semper Tyrannis' be all our herald!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:19 AM
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8. Will He Or Won't He
Rock the vote boat?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:42 AM
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9. Somebody better rock the boat and rattle the cages.
We're sinking fast in a prison ship of our own making;)

The Muzak is killing us.

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:44 AM
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10. If you drop a coin into a machine in Las Vegas,
you have what it takes to vote in the U.S. of A.

And every machine doesn't have to be crooked, and none of them need to be crooked by too much, because in the end, it's all about volume.

So, "close enough" in elections doesn't count for jack. Everyone knows it's all about the razor thin advantage now.


K&R.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:02 AM
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11. "Manufactured horse races" to the middle by "the hallow men" (and women)
That's right and it's not appreciated. I do hope that some of that comes out in the NH recount. I remember Ohio and a poster named, I hink, Starburst59 who showed a formula whereby just a few votes
per precinct would move that state in all sorts of directions. Very interesting and important.

By election day, there won't be much belief in the fiction of open and honest elections. We have
not even begun to see the impact of vote voter suppression as per the HAVA voter registration "clean
up" process, federally mandates and administered without objection form Congress. How many have been
removed?

But, :sarcasm: "Everything happens for the best in this best of all possible worlds."
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:17 AM
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12. But but if they count the votes in the open
It makes it harder to cheat.
Next you'll be insisting on a real citizenship-owned media with the Powers that Be having to beg Kucinich for time on the airwaves.

K & r'ed
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:06 AM
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14. That's right. Peoples media... No more lies and vulgarity.

They sell us the lie that the crap the broadcast or 'cable' is what we want. Please!

Cheating needs to be done in private, that's for sure. That's quite a sentence in the Constitution, the first one, elegant, to the point. Complete.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:36 AM
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13. Seems a simple enough request to make of ones democracy?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:57 AM
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15. End faith based election systems-VERIFY THE VOTE!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:56 PM
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17. The OP states "We're rushed to pick a final candidate through Super Tuesdays
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 02:57 PM by truedelphi
designed to force a selection with months to go before the national conventions this summer"

That is the awful feature of this. And we don't find Hillary, Obama or Edwards objecting when during the fourth primay debate, Kucinich is eliminated by MSNBC's president.

But now Edwards is objecting to the small sound bytes his campaign is offered in comparison to the overwhelming coverage of every sneeze, snort, giggle, and belch that M$M records off Obama and Hillary's campaign.

What's that old line, "First they came for the ____, but I wasn't a ____..."
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