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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:16 PM
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I just got my Irish citizenship!
I applied for this in May, 2006! So if any of you are/were hoping to go this route, I would recommend you gather all of the relevant documents and get moving - it's a long process, and the Irish Embassy in Chicago says they are getting inundated with applications so it's only going to get longer.

For those that don't know, I started gathering my documents after November 2004. It took my almost a year to gather everything (needed an original birth certificate for my Irish grandmother which took forever to arrive). I procrastinated for a few months and finally took everything down to the embassy and filed. The website told me it would take 6 - 9 months but obviously it took a lot longer.

I got an Irish passport application along with my citizenship papers and I think I'm going to get an Irish passport as well (again, the forms say that will take 6 - 9 months so perhaps in almost 2 years I'll finally have that.)

I originally applied because I was so disgusted with GW Bush getting re-elected I wanted to have an "escape". Now that my disgust has turned to real anger at what he's done to this country it doesn't seem as critical to get out as it does to fight.

But wierdly, I honestly feel good (relieved?!) now that I've got this piece of paper....
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:18 PM
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1. Congrats. If I had no family in the USA, I'd be working on my French
citizenship and MOVE there.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:18 PM
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2. Are you still also a U.S. citizen?
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:21 PM
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4. Yep, dual citizen now! nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:22 PM
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41. sweets, congrats! Do you have to have a g'parent? I have great
grandparents. TOo old?
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:21 PM
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5. you maintain citizen ship in your country of origin
he still has it unless he renounces his citizenship.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:18 PM
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3. Congratulations! I think more and more people will be making the same move
unless we can somehow turn things around soon.

:hi:


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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:21 PM
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6. My hubby is going to get his too
I did not know you needed grandma's birth certificate. I will tell him. I am getting my English dual citizenship (born in Bermuda)too this year in honor of my now deceased Dad who pushed me for years to do it just in case.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:25 PM
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11. My link to Ireland was my grandmother so that's whose birth cert I needed
If that's also your husband's link then he should start getting it now since all of that is hand-written, not on a computer, and it's stored someplace ooooollldd. Somebody worked through their archives and retrieved her actual certificate and hand-wrote a new one. I actually found that calling her birth registrar was most effective (Bray, Ireland).

If his Irish relative is more recent, perhaps it's computerized? Not sure how it will work for him....
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:47 PM
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21. No it was his granny
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 05:49 PM by Mojorabbit
I don't know if his mom has her certificate though. They were from Galway.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:53 PM
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24. He'll need originals of everything. Not a photocopy. nt
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:22 PM
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7. Congrats!! Ireland is a BEAUTIFUL country with wonderful people
A growing economy, universal health care, etc.

I would move there in a heartbeat if my sons weren't here with no means to move.

Just an FYI...they were begging for contruction type professions a few years ago when I was there. They are building everywhere due to their booming economy. As all Irish citizens also receive free college education, they have a real need for skilled tradesmen/women.

It looks as if Hillary will get the dem nod here and as a result, we will get either another republican or a democrat who isn't much better when it comes to foreign policy. If I could get the heck out of here, I would.

I"m envious!!
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:28 PM
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14. Heh. Free health care for life!!
:woohoo: That is a pretty compelling reason too!

Like you though, I still have kids at home (an 11 year old) so I don't see us leaving anytime soon but I am actually surprised at how relieved (yes, dammit that IS what it is) that I finally have this....
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:40 AM
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50. My mother met a couple from the U.K. at the hospital emergency
room a few nights ago. The man wasa in terrible pain from sciatica (sp). The lady aid he would have had to wait months to be seen in the U.K.

She went on to say many people with heart problems are given medication, but because they can't get timely surgery, they die.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:22 PM
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8. "It's a beautiful place to starve." - My Irish grandmother.
Things have changed since 1910 when she fled County Mayo, The Church, and poverty.
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Greenpeach Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:30 PM
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15. Mayo
My grandather was born in Mayo, on Achill Island.  I was there
in September of '06 and long to go back. Grandma born in
County Cork. I'd love to live there and will continue to
pursue citizenship.  (Of course, I'd have to talk all my kids
and their kids into going too.)
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:42 PM
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42. My grandmother (Mary Collins) (Mayo) married William Murphy of
Cork. She and her sisters did nothing but talk about Ireland, the "Troubles", etc. I remember it as a little kid. Supposedly grandmom's family (cousins) had "the Michael Collins in the family. Don't know if that's true or not though..
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:47 PM
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43. They have changed so much that Irish people are buying NYC apts.
as rental units, for investments.

Who could have imagined this, just thirty years ago?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:23 PM
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9. I actually though about it, but then I found out that my grandfather
was born in Canada..not Ireland (like I was always told:eyes:..)

My other grandparents were born in France & Spain..(my father in Cuba)..
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:23 PM
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10. Could you ship over a few kegs of Guinness?
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 05:24 PM by Kucinich4America
The real stuff, not the watered down American version. :beer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM5nC6K4MSo
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:57 PM
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28. DU meetup in Dublin!!!
And we'll ship the real stuff back home to anyone else who can't make it - that is, whatever we have left!

:evilgrin:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:26 PM
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12. What does it take to get Irish Citzenship? My great grandmother was from Ireland!
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:32 PM
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16. The farthest back that Ireland will accept is a grandparent.
And you need ALL documents relating to them PLUS everything up to yourself (all birth, death and marriage certs for the entire line).

Some countries might possibly take an ancestor farther back, some will only accept parents as the farthest back you can go. My grandfather was Canadian but you have to have a Canadian parent to apply for citizenship so that nixed Canada for me....
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:27 PM
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13. Do your grandparents have to be born citizens to get dual citizenship?
I can trace Irish ancestry in my family to my great-great grandfather. Is this path to citizenship only available for people who have grandparents from the old country?
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:34 PM
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17. Yep, grandparents for Ireland. nt
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:35 PM
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18. Congrats! I'm jealous.
My ancestors have been in the US since the 1600's so I have no dual citizenship options. :(
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:39 PM
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19. Congrats.....
And consider making the move no matter what. We did.....but to Wales where hubby is from. Best thing we ever did. Instead of fighting exhaust fumes on my commute I get to look at horses and sheep and the beautiful valleys and hills of SE Wales.

Ireland is a beautiful country. I love Dublin and it's become the 'in' place to be in the past few years.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:51 PM
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23. My older daughter is applying for grad school in Dublin (York, London and Edinburgh too)
She's graduating with a bachelor's in medieval archeology and clearly if you are going to study castles, it's not going to be done here in the US.

We've made a few trips to Ireland buying horses for resale here in the US, and my daughter's going to be living somwhere in the UK - probably permanently herself, so we have had/will always have some connections there. And we've toyed with the idea of setting up our horse operations over there. The election in 2004 just ticked me off enough to apply.

Glad to hear from an expat though who actually made the jump to the EU. We're not making any kind of move like that at the moment but honestly, it's weird how grateful I feel to have that possibility.....



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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:44 PM
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20. i still remember when an Aussie exchange student in high school in the 70's
was saying they were PAYING Americans to immigrate to Australia then!. That would be VERY tempting now, though I'd probably prefer to move to closer by Vancouver just in case the U.S. could recover its sanity sometime in the next two decades!
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:47 PM
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22. Welcome to the Eire club!

I am sending out for my passport shortly.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:55 PM
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26. And they need all originals of everything again!!
I'm thinking I'll get it though cause I'm going to just forget about this and not get on it. I believe I'd rather have it just, well, because.



:hi:
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:54 PM
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25. Congrats. Not able to qualify for EU passport; we went the Panama route
after 2004 election for same reasons. We have our permanent resident visas for Panama and it looks like we may retire there by end of this year or sometime in 2009.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:56 PM
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27. So, are you now 'not' an American & when do you leave?
:shrug:
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:01 PM
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30. Dual citizenship, so I've got both!
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 06:02 PM by riderinthestorm
And I'm not leaving. Initially... I honestly thought I would I was so disgusted in 2004. And perhaps I still may but for now we have a farm in Illinois which needs us, I still have a daughter at home, and there is still a hell of a fight imho for the soul of the US that needs some attention.

I won't ever say never but for now we're staying put.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:05 PM
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34. All 4 of my grandparents are from Ireland but
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 06:05 PM by Breeze54
all I've been able to find so far, is immigration lists with their names on them and a census.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:12 PM
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37. I'm not a genealogist but I would bet you could hire one to find out their birth towns
Genealogy is big business in the US and there are people who actually make a living finding that kind of information for you. It might be worth it if you are trying to get citizenship (which you would qualify for) since you will need to know their birth town in order to start the process of getting their birth cert (and marriage certs, death certs etc. )
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:59 PM
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29. i'm very happy for you -- ireland is a wonderful country.
and it would be a big thing -- but it too would be a wonderful place to live.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:02 PM
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31. Cool. Congratulations!
Maybe I should learn Portuguese and become a Portuguese citizen, my Grandfather emigrated from there.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:04 PM
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33. At this stage of the game, I would keep all options open.
It can't hurt to explore ALL of your potential options, including Portugal (another really lovely country may I add...)
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:03 PM
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32. Slainte!
:patriot:

I love the Irish.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:05 PM
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35. Does Irish citizenship give you EU citizenship?
Could you get a job anywhere in Europe?
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:08 PM
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36. Yes, how cool is that?! nt
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:24 PM
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40. That's GREAT!
:)
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:24 PM
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38. Thank you so much for the info
Thank you so much for the info, I had no idea grandmas were good enough to get back in. My grandma on my dad's side was born in Ireland. My mother was born in Portsmouth, England and my other grandma was born in Nuremberg. I hope one of these facts can help get me out of this shithole country. Time to spend a few bucks on a genealogy service and then hit the immigrations site for europe and see what is to be seen.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:24 PM
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39. dupe nt
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 06:25 PM by Yuugal
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:50 PM
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44. I will never abandon my own counry to fascist neocon bastards
N E V E R
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:54 PM
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45. I wish I had citizenship somewhere else.
Maybe I'll marry a Canadian.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:56 PM
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46. I have dual citizenship, too
Only mine's Italian.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:57 PM
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47. I've just started the process for both me and my parents.
Gathering info and documents that is. My mother's father is Scottish, so we can have UK citizenship/passports.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:33 AM
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48. Congrats!!
Ireland is an EU member, which means you can go just about anywhere in the EU.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:37 AM
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49. An escape?
I think U.S. citizens can go to Ireland legally, but if you want to be Irish, go for it.

I thought the U.S. frowned on dual citizenship(?).
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:47 AM
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51. rider, I have a question -- I would be eligible for Irish citizenship because I have an Irish
grandma (now deceased). I'm married with 2 kids. If I got the citizenship, would my hubby and kids be able to get it too, since they're my immediate family? Or would they at least be able to emigrate along with me?

I looked at the website a while back, and couldn't tell what the status of my hubby and kids would be.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:00 PM
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57. They are not automatically eligible as I understand it.
I believe that they would have to go through the regular immigration/citizenship route. It was explained to me that since you are legal to live and work there (when you get your citizenship), your spouse and children can live there with you on a residency visa. Your spouse would have to go through application to get an EU work visa (difficult). After 3 years of residency your family can apply for citizenship.

So yes, they can emigrate. Your spouse would face all of the usual EU work visa obstacles. And after 3 years of residency everyone can apply for citizenship. You should call the Irish Embassy located in the nearest major city for more details. I've heard on the QT that it's easier to get an EU work visa once you are in the pipeline for citizenship....

Good luck.

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:32 PM
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59. Thanks much, rider.
Unfortunately, hubby is probably the more employable one. Still, it might be worth doing. My sister got an Irish passport 20 years or so ago, so that she could get a teaching job in England. She'd spent a year there on a Fulbright teacher exchange fellowship, then wanted to go back and work there some more. Would have been difficult to do as a US citizen, but having the Irish passport made it quite simple. Found out that Grandma had lied about her age even more than we'd realized!
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:01 AM
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62. Correct,
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 09:03 AM by Kentish Man
Your spouse is not automatically qualified for citizenship by marriage anymore, you have to reside in Ireland for 3 years. Luckily, my wife's application was sent in before the laws changed. IIRC, however, you shouldn't need an EU work visa; when we lived in Ireland (2000-2001), my wife was not yet a citizen (though I was), but she could get something called a 'Green Book' from the local Gardai (police) station that allowed her to work, enter the country for an extended period, etc.

I started my Irish citizenship quest in 1998 and received citizenship in 2000. If you are living in Ireland, a passport only takes a couple of days. You can emigrage to Ireland without an Irish passport, but it's best to get one anyway.

We live in England right now, but would jump at the chance to move back to Ireland. It's a fabulous place.

Congratulations, and welcome to the club! ;)

ETA: I posted some information on obtaining Irish citizenship awhile back on the Irish Affairs board http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=298&topic_id=1540&mesg_id=1548
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:29 AM
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52. I'm jealous. I'm HALF Irish but can't qualify --
too far back. My dad was a 100% descendant of the Irish who immigrated to Canada in the early 1800s -- one of his grandmothers was born in Ireland and all of his greatgrandparents.

It's a beautiful country -- went there on a trip with my brother and sister several years ago. I've always felt a longing for the culture there.
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irish.lambchop Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:09 AM
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53. Fair play to you!!
And welcome! I live half the year in Ireland and half in the U.S. Do get an Irish passport and use it instead of your U.S. passport every time you travel abroad no matter what country you're visiting. Everyone loves the Irish :)
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:25 AM
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54. excellent point
about using the Irish passport for travel
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:23 PM
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55. Congrats !!
Me, I'll be getting Ukrainian citizenship this year. Doing it the easy way. I married one. :loveya:

In another way, it's not so easy. Because I'm living here and don't know the language. But in the states, I would have been paying a mortgage until age 70. Now we're mortgage free, and two homes to boot !!

There are still places where life is good !!

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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:31 PM
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56. My great, great grandfather is from County Cork
Congrats on the dual citizenship. My grandfather was born in Mexico. Perhaps I could have tri-citizenship. ;)
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Gertha Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:25 PM
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58. I have a dual French citizenship, and...
In March I will add Swiss!!! Then my wife (French & Swiss National) will take on an American citizenship.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:49 AM
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60. congratulations!
:kick:
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:56 AM
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61. The weather is bad though n/t
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:40 AM
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63. Thousand shades of green??? err....
more like thousand shades of gray...!
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