Holy crap! Anonymous is opening a can of whip-ass on the Church of Scientology!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ

Dayum, that's well written, it's powerful and ominous. I'm glad that someone's finally decided to bring them down. They deserve it.

: - )))

and a Buchla fan... even better : - )))))))))))

out of the source, uncertainty comes

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Anonymous is the Higher Power....

Scientology has systematically destroyed the INDIVIDUALS who've fought them over the years, even if they're in the government. Only an unknown mass of people, Anonymous, can successfully fight them.

Anonymous is doing nothing that law enforcement wouldn't be doing, were it not for Scientology's lawlessness.

I saw a post from a woman online whom they'd declared an SP but I don't know of others. Is there a link that talks about this?

http://www.xenutv.com/

This link, and the testimony here is amazingly mind-numbing. It's frightening to think of the power they have:
http://www.xenutv.com/hearings/index.htm

Click the 1982 Clearwater hearings.

I have been reading a bit about it and have read some on the 'operation clambake' site....what is chilling to me is that other people in the entertainment field are so scared to talk about it. Jerry O'Connell did a really funny send up of Tom's interview that gawker has posted, but other than that people won't even answer the question. Thanks so much for the links.

Scientology gets away with it, because they'll go after anyone who tries to protect someone who's been destroyed. They even managed to get a woman convicted for crimes by framing her!

Including DoS attacks, jammed phone lines and the like. Ordering pizzas, for chrissakes.

But what captures my interest is that this may be the first invasion that Anonymous is doing for more than the lulz. Moving beyond the hapless losers they have targeted in the past (however deserving some of them might have been), Anonymous is attacking a seriously dangerous target. Scientology isn't just a vicious cult that has defrauded most of its followers, imprisoned thousands of them and used them for slave labor, and is even suspected to have killed some of them. They have their own military forces. They want to rule the world.

Watch this excellent German documentary (English, no subtitles) about the prison camps of Scientology, "Missing in Happy Valley":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2742505831051424517

I recently found full online and PDF copies of "Bare-Faced Messiah," a biography of L. Ron Hubbard that CoS tried to suppress. I'm looking forward to seeing if it sheds any light on how and why Hubbard's gay son died in 1976.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-faced_Messiah

There's also a new book out by an investigative journalist who posed as a closeted gay actor to determine if Scientology is primarily a reparative therapy center for gay celebrities:

http://defamer.com/347539/exclusive-scientology-straightening-closeted-actors-for-years-says-author

uses the same tactics as the CIA. So it's not like they're powerless.

Anonymous is lawless in a sense, but they are taking over where the law cannot.

looking over their shoulders.

But then again, shouldn't some fault be applied to the people who are fucking stupid enough to pay the Scientilogists fifteen grand to "be able to discover the secret" of the fucking aliens in the volcanoes?

Redstone

I've spent hours watching testimony on this organization's activities, let me tell you, the people who go up against them are not in for an easy ride. $cientology is a massive conjob, not like any other in history.

Redstone

That's the same site where the football bomb threat hoax came from. They were also responsible for compromising the Fox News website a while back, which resulted in Fox doing a story on them. An interesting bunch to be sure.

What's an SP? And what's the RTC?

They are the types of people who work to bring the members of the cult/criminal organization out of it, people who are in law enforcement and investigate the church, or anyone who stands in their way.

RTC refers to the Religious Technology Center, an organization formed by L. Ron Hubbard to manage the intellectual property of $cientology.

that Tom Cruise was talking about.... :shrug:

:shrug:

No clue, review what he was saying. Did he mean that he wanted to shatter suppression of scientology?

http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress

Here’s a transcript, I put the 'shatter suppression' part in bold
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14692 (in comments)

Mister Big Voice: Tom Cruise on Tom Cruise, Scientologist.

Tom Cruise: I think it’s a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist, and it’s something that you have to earn, and… because a Scientologist does. He… or she… has the ability to… create new and better realities and improve conditions. Uh… being a Scientologist you look at someone and you know absolutely that you can help them.

So for me, it really is KSW. And it’s just like… it’s… it’s something that, uh… I don’t mince words with that. You know? With… with anything that LRH does. But that policy to me has really gone… ffptt! Boy. And I re, and I… there’s a time I went through and I said, you know what? When I read it I, you know, I just went pfoo! This is it! This is exactly it.

Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident, it’s not like anyone else. As you drive past, you know you have to do something about it, because you know you’re the only one that can really help.

But that’s… that’s what drives me, is that I know we have an opportunity… and, uh… to really… to help. For the first time. Ef-effectively change people’s lives, and, uh… I am dedicated to that. I’m gonna… I’m… absolutely… uncompromisingly (snicker) dedicated to that.

Orgs are there to help, okay? But we as, you know, also the public, it’s like… we have a responsibility. It’s not just the Orgs. It’s not just David Miscavidge. You know? It’s not just… not just me! It’s you. It’s everyone out there kind of s… re-reading KSW and looking at what needs to be done and saying, “Okay! Am I gonna do it, or am I not gonna do it?” Period! And am I gonna look at that guy? Or am I too afraid? Because I have my own Out Ethics to put in someone else’s Ethics. And that’s all it comes down to.

And I won’t hesitate to put ethics in on someone else. You know? Because I put it ruthlessly in on myself. And I think that, uh… I respect that. In… in others. And, uh… you know. I’m there to help. And we’re here to help. And my opinion is, is that, look, you’re either on board, or you’re not on board, okay? But just… if you’re on board, you’re on board, just like the rest of us. Period.

We are the authorities on getting people off drugs. We are the authorities on the mind. We are the authorities on improving conditions. Criminon. We can rehabilitate criminals. Way to Happiness… we can bring peace uh… and unite cultures. Uh… that, once you know these tools and you know that they work, it’s… it’s not good enough that… that I’m just doing okay.

Traveling the world and meeting the people that I… that I’ve met, you know… talking with these leaders in various fields… they want help. And they are depending on people who know, and who can be effective, and do it. And that’s us. That is our responsibility, to do that.

It is the time now. Now is the time, okay? It is being a Scientologist, people are turning to you. So you better know it. You better know it. And if you don’t… you know… go… and learn it! You know? But don’t pretend you know it and, or, for, you know, whatever. It’s like, we’re here to help.

I mean, if you’re a Scientologist, you see life for… you see things… the way they are. In all its glory, you know? All of its complexity. Uh… and the more you know as a Scientologist, you, you don’t become overwhelmed by it.

(snickering) And uh… I went, you know, she, they said, “So, like, have you met an SP?” (disturbing outburst of cackling that makes understanding the next few lines difficult) And I looked at them and, you know, and I thought, what a beautiful thing, because maybe, one day, it’ll be like that! You know what I’m saying? Maybe one day it will be that… Wow… SP’s… like, they’ll just read about those in the history books, you know? (more sinister cackles)

Thing is, I just go through that tech, and it’s, it literally it, it’s not… how to run from an SP. It’s PTSSP, how to shatter suppression… confront, shatter suppression. You apply it, it’s like boom.

Because they don’t come up to me… and do that. Uh… they don’t do it to me. Not to my face. You know? Or anywhere in my vicinity where they feel they can be… confronting, you know? They just don’t do it.

I wish the world was a different place. I’d like to go on vacation and go and romp and play and just do that. You know what I mean? I mean… that’s what I want it to be, okay? That’s how… I would, you know, and there’s times I’d like to do that. But… but I can’t, because… I know. I know. So… I… I, you know… but, you know. You just, you… I… I have to do something about it. It’s not… You know, you can sit here and wish it was different and then you look at it and you go, “Okay, this is it, alright, okay.” And there’s that moment when you go “You know? I have to do something, don’t I? Yeah. I really have to do it because I can’t live with myself if I don’t.” And it’s… and that really is it.

I don’t care if someone thinks it’s hard or easy. It’s either… you’re either helping, and contributing everything you can, or you’re not. Okay? Uh… because I’m carrying my load. Alright? And not only that, as much as I’m carrying, I still feel like I gotta do more. Alright? There’s still a thing of… let’s go!

You can just see it, the look in their eyes, you know the ones that are doing it. You know? And you know the spectators who are the ones that are going, well, it’s easy for you or what am I doing, and it’s just… that thing is, uh… I’ve cancelled that in my… area. (cackling) Around my… it’s like, man, you’re either in or you’re out. That’s spectatorism, and it’s something that… that is… we have no time for now.

So it’s our responsibility to… educate. Create the new reality. You know, we have that responsibility to say, hey, this is the way it should be done. Because we do it this way, and people are actually getting better. And let’s get it done. You know? Let’s really get it done, and have enough love, compassion toughness that… that you’re gonna do it. Uh, and, uh… do it… right.

And I have to tell you something. I really… It… it is… you know…. It’s rough and tumble. And it’s wild and wooly. And it’s a blast. It’s a blast. It really is fun. Because damnit, there’s nothing better than to going out there and fighting the fight, and suddenly, you see – pfft! – things are better!

I want to know that I’ve done everything I could. Uh… every day. And I think about those people out there who are depending on us, and uh… I think about that. And it does make me feel like… man… God, there’s… you know? We got more work. I need more help. You know? Get those spectators either in the playing field or out of the arena, you know? That’s how I… really, that’s how I feel about it.

I do what I can, and I do it the way I do everything. (maniacal laughter) There’s nothing part of the way for me. (kookier laughter still) It’s just PFOOO!

Mister Big Voice: A Scientologist can be defined by a single question. Would you want others to achieve the knowledge you know have? In answering that question, Tom Cruise has introduced LRH technology to over one BILLION people of Earth! And that’s only the first wave he’s unleashed! Which is why the story of Tom Cruise: Scientologist, has only just begun!

"Potential trouble source, supressive person(s)" (got that off of some blog from google)

excuse me a minute while I :rofl:

Okay, "How to Confront and Shatter Suppression" is a Scientology course people can take. they have a video you can buy:
http://www.scientology.cc/en_US/intro/courses/ptssp.html

this is just wacko.

"We know . . . we just know . . . I don't know, but we just know . . . ya know, it's just it . . . we see things . . . whatever, we're here to help. . . . "

I'm glad we got that cleared up!

:spray:

Bravo!:applause:

Plus the incoherent ramblings:


"and, or, for, you know, whatever. It’s like, we’re here to help."

"When I read it I, you know, I just went pfoo!"

I do what I can, and I do it the way I do everything. (maniacal laughter)

(kookier laughter still) It’s just PFOOO!

I’ve cancelled that in my… area. (cackling) Around my… it’s like, man,

Uh, and, uh… do it… right.

(snickering) And uh… I went, you know, she, they said, “So, like, have you met an SP?”

(disturbing outburst of cackling that makes understanding the next few lines difficult) And I looked at them and, you know, and I thought, what a beautiful thing, because maybe, one day, it’ll be like that! You know what I’m saying?




OK, wait. I have to go to bed & I'm going to have nightmares.

La Cruise's films are all bombs.

:rofl:

:silly:

of Scientology can be made against many many 'mainstream' religions.

I don't believe in any major religion, or any religion, but I do not believe they're on the same level. Scientology is not a really a religion, it's more of a criminal organization like the mob, only they're more uncrackable.

then "I don't believe"

Hate to tell you this but there are mainstream churches that use the exact same name/shame tactics, that distance people from their families and that demand monies.

Then there are the millions of freako offshoots from mainstream religion like the Exclusive Brethren. Absolutely Christian and absolutely a cult.

My ex's mother abandoned her kids when they were 13 and 15 and joined a Christian cult - what they did to her and her family goes WAY beyond anything I have seen the Scientologists accused of.

OUtside their own flock Scientologists are generally viewed as kooks, other religions get "respect" despite being essentially the same.

I started to get into them about 15 years ago when I was at the end of my rope. A fellow student saw how low I was and suggested that $cientology was the answer.

I was desperate and went.

Although I had little money I signed up for the first class. They made me sign a contract saying I wouldn't sue them!

And before I started the class they a member who was a doctor talk to me, letting me know that "as a doctor he couldn't really advise me" but that I really wouldn't be able to understand the classes if I were taking drugs of any kind. I had been up front with them about depressions and attempted suicides and that I was on an antidepressant. But I was assured "although it wasn't medical advice" that the classes would help me.

So I cold turkey my SSRI (which is dangerous as hell), do the class which did not help, and am told that I really need to take the next one which will help. I have no money, I say. Can you borrow it from family or friends they ask. Can you get it from a credit card? Can you get a credit card?

There's a lot more, all of it painful and and I get furious thinking abut what they tried to do to me and what they did to two other really bright and promising students I knew at the time.

$cientology is not a cult, it's a criminal organization.

From the information you provided, they operate an aweful lot alike.

The product of Werner Erhard, I have no experience or knowledge about "Landmark Education", just did a quick google.

:rofl:

absolutely

They're like the mob, if the mod cloaked its criminal activities in religion.

:shrug:

I imagine the difference is about the same as the difference between a typical atheist and Madelyn Murray O'Hare..

So scientologists are outspoken religious rights activists?

:thumbsup:

I just think it's hilarious how people who believe in a virgin birth and rising from the dead dare to make fun of the beliefs of others

Look at all those charlatans on T.V. getting donations from the "faithful"- which we all know goes right into the pockets of their "leader". That's what I call criminal! :puke:

At least Scientologists aren't on T.V. every weekend trying to get a percentage of peoples paychecks or knocking on the door bugging the hell out of ya. :argh:

the current Tom Cruise videos all over the net. It gets posted, COS threatens to sue, it gets yanked, then it pops up somewhere different. More power to them, the COS is batshit crazy and very dangerous.

Edited to add: On re-reading,that that letter is 'Pointing the Bones' if I ever saw it.

My friend sent me a link to it. My reply to her: "Jesus Christ! What a freakshow!"

fire jargon-speak. It's like he's a cyborg.

I don't even know what to say. The Scientologists are no slouches. To take them on like this is very gutsy. Of course, this sets off a chain reaction - every time something goes wrong in the 'magic kingdom,' they will have to say, "Is this the handy work of that damn Anonymous. I'll be sitting this one out.

the name of the legion of demons that represent the devil or SATAN.. MAYBE it will scare the crap out of them. Psychological warfare is their forte.

Legion will need all the help it can get, psychological or technological.

The Church of Scientology had this coming. Anonymous is going to have their heads spinning if nothing else because Anonymous is untraceable and could be anyone. They can't sue what they can't name, this is going to be VERY interesting.

The Church of Scientology will wave their considerable financial and legal leverage to shut down the sources by which Anonymous works. The Church of Scientology's only real course of action is pick off a few of them and make examples out of them. A few well placed lawsuits and forums being shut down or silenced would either cause them to quit their campaign or piss them off even more.

He got a visit from CoS recruiters within the week. I trust you know what that means. :scared:

An Anonymous Legion based in Australia is one of the few ways you can possibly get away with fucking with these guys. Even so, it's not a sure thing they will.

A high-level one. I have no proof whatsoever of this, so make of it what you will.

Hell, for all we know, Scientology could be an old psy-op that got out of hand.

it is made of anon and scientology.

Sure they'll troll it and be huge pain in the asses for a few months. Then they'll lose interest (like they always do) and find another target. As soon as they stop getting "lulz" out of it, and it becomes a chore, they'll move on.

I know....rules 1 & 2...but I'm not a b-tard, so I won't blame it on ebaumsworld....LOL.

What're they going to do? Sic pedobear on L. Ron Hubbard?

:)

"None of us is as cruel as all of us."

:scared:

There are some truly strange folk living there. I am actually a bit surprised there are so many here who have even heard of it.

To the kitchen with you!

...just kidding!

:)

(Seriously, it's an inside joke... no offense to anyone.)

He cut all ties to all of his old friends. Last I heard he was in massive financial debt to this fanatical and very dangerous cult. I don't know why and how they still exisit and how they can turn perfectly intelligent people into robots.

By eliminating all privacy of though, via the use of an E-Meter, also known as a skin galvanometer (primitive lie detector) they've mastered the ability of knowing how to teach someone and brainwash them. If you're really not brainwashed, they know. If they instruct you in a task, and you don't know it, but lie and say you do, they can find out.

If you don't hand over your most damaging details, things that you've done in your life that you may not be proud of, they know.

And they use these brainwashed drones to attack anyone who interferes in their cult. They research everything bad about you and bring it to the surface, to dismiss you. They badger people in the legal system with petty lawsuits. They have even gone so far as to frame a woman for a crime, and get her convicted.

They do this to any public official that rises against them, which is why they're like the mob, no one either pays any attention to them or they're really nice to them, to avoid having their dirty secrets aired in public.

This is the idea of leverage, you can gain more insight into the mind that originated it in Battlefield Earth. The whole story/movie is about leverage, this is how L. Ron Hubbard thought. And it works for the most part, until now when a nebulous group of people decided to get them. People who do not rely upon their reputation, for can anonymous have a reputation? No, and because of that, it won't matter how many the "church" brings down. More will replace them. And the more Scientology does to fuck with anonymous, the more they will annoy the wrong kind of people, who take joy in other people's frustration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-faced_Messiah

The full download is 3.7Mb. That the author would make the full text available for download instead of trying to sell more books is telling.

Has anyone heard anything about the COS infiltrating and taking over other "cults" or organizations? Aside from Hollywood, I mean. Not that I want to give them any ideas, but it would be a hell of a tactic and a cult or commune would provide a willing, captive audience already halfway to submission. If they haven't done it, it's just further proof they're only after the $$$$ they can get from wealthy individuals or those with property or inheritance. Cults and communes are often poor and the land is either held by one person, or in trust to allow continuity. What little they have wouldn't be so easy to misappropriate and probably not worth the effort.

I watched several snippets of "teh interview" and don't think I could stand to see it in full. It's just waaaayyy too creepy.

The last time this came up, the vast majority were against fucking with scientology. There is a lot of money and power behind them.

Ah well, anonymous IS anonymous.

I think it's gaining traction and they are already making themselves known not just in the CoS circle, but in forums well beyond that. Just look at this one. This is the last forum on earth that I would have expected to see a /b/ thread.

Who knows? They may actually make progress against the CoS where many countless others have been shut down.

Or perhaps anon would prefer "metastatized".

Ah, anonymous. 21st century warrior-poet channeling the spirits of Paine and Voltaire, or 12-year-old with a flaming baggie of dog doodie? Only time will tell.

Great thread, thanks.

And the distribution/viewing is becoming exponential. If the pre-marital couch-jumping and the anti-postpartum depression controversy haven't done his public image in, this certainly will. Not that the general topic isn't fundamentally more malevolent, but Cruise is becoming a laughingstock and a liability for them.

He's no longer the draw he used to be, before his off-the-camera antics became the very definition of who he is. There's no doubt that Scientology benefited from having him as their face early-on, but I'm beginning to wonder if that's a liability for them now as more and more people get exposed to the batshit crazy side of things.

And handing over your hard earned money every week by "tithing" so that you too can be blessed with RICHES isn't bat shit crazy?!

:wtf:

I see NOTHING different with Scientology than I do with most other religions.

Scientology is a target ONLY because it's not based on Jesus or the almighty bible. :eyes:

You'll find quite a few. But at the end of the day, you're not going to find contemporary evidence to the effect that MOST large organized churches are systematically engaging in the cult operational techniques, and you know very well what I'm talking about.

Anyone who has an I.Q. above 80 (this excludes Cruise) needs to attempt reading Dianetics. If you don't "get" what happening by page five and and throw it as far away from you as you can, you're lying about the I.Q.

There have been many attempts and indeed successful religious campaigns waged using the "almighty bible" as an instrument of mind and behavioral control, I'll grant you. But a diabolically skillful written instrument of brainwashing (in and of itself)it is not.

replied or anything. It goes right to the recycle bin. Now they have started calling. They have been told to take our # off their calling list to no avail.