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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 11:34 PM Original message |
The more "shallow politics" they feed me, the more I think "deep politics" is worth considering |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you! I think that's the first time I've heard deep politics mentioned here. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 07:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. What a literate response, for a second I thought I was back on Usenet... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. If few at DU have heard of "deep politics", we are in worse shape than I thought... |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. thank you |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You raise an important point: "the same people" |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The same corrupt people and actually |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I think they are either cowards or knaves... |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. thanks |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Full-blown CT is "black helicopter, survivalist, Lyndon Larouche paranoia"... |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Not Economic Hitman |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Ick, what an unrepentant slimeball. Not at all enlightened, like the Economic Hitman... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. Its a really good point about learning history. I for one think we should look to CT community. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. You really ARE literate...can't do justice to your post in the time available...but here goes... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Thanks...And sorry for writing novella on ya' |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Novellas are great. I crave literate stuff. More power to you that you can churn it out. |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
3. I have neither the time nor energy this morning to offer the thoughtful... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I'm busy today too. Just time to keep it kicked (which it needs, unfortunately). n/t |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
6. The latest example of Deep Politics: quashing the Miers-Bolton subpoenas, yet again... |
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InkAddict (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
7. Happy to K&R this thoughtful post and discussion. |
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elizfeelinggreat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I have felt it, too |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. A lot of people are repressing their feelings (that something is rotten)... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
8. Another censored item: the banking solvency crisis (hiding the M3, etc.)... |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
14. Kicking and rec'ing...I need to read this several times to absorb it...great piece |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
18. Thank you for your thoughtful presentation of something I've felt for a long time |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. To avoid being labeled CT, I tend to point out the corruption, the cronyism, the black budget... |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R |
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CGowen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
21. Scott is known on DU I would say,and I like the fact the he criticizes left-gatekeepers like Chomsky |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I want to believe; but a show of hands would help me more. Who has heard of Deep Politics? |
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CGowen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I posted it last year on DU, if you click on links you'll find one from DU |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Thanks. I missed that last year. At that time, I didn't know him. Don't check the Books forum. n/t |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. I'm raising my hand, but I have no way that I know of for recovering my oldest DU posts |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. That's a very personal story. Thanks for sharing... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. How about "old" as in having been at it for a long time? |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. How about an "experienced" hippie lady...no, wait. that's not what I meant. :-) |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Heh. It's entirely accurate. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
22. Kicked and recommended. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
28. The only thing I would add is |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Thanks. Thats an important point that I failed to mention... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I really think this is a valuable thread. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
30. But once you start looking for deep politics, where do you stop? |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Good question. And, you also ask about "elites"... |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. . . |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Not "too long" at all. It would be great if it were much longer. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I have had to spend a lot of time today responding, or this thread would have sunk... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. In answer to your question, "Any reaction to my four point plan?", I'll post below. (nt) |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. The book "Elite Deviance" is in its 7th hardcover printing |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
36. Randi Rhodes doing some Lost History |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
37. Kicking -- I already rec'd... (nt) |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
42. A four point political agenda for deep politics |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Please bear in mind, I'm writing in haste because I have to go. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'm an urban techie. I suspect my daily routine would be too statist for you :-) |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. "Blackwater isn't going to decentralize voluntarily." You have to destroy their food source. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Americans aren't 1% as enlightened as Indians were in Ghandi' time |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You just start small and locally. Guerrilla cells, as it were. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Your're going to get a chance to do this soon, as "The Long Emergency" sets in... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Well, you'll always be welcome in my workers paradise organic commune! |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. And you in my alternative-powered, green tech, wired community! |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #54 |
77. 0.01% is more like it. Deliberately neutralized and nullified and dumbed down. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Hey, I'm not used to being out-pessimist-ed! |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
63. The arms trade can't be left out of the picture |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. True, but its all that's left of our economy, so its easy for the media to slime anyone who... |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
65. your four points look good to me, and deep thoughts |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Thanks for adding the references to the thread. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #42 |
67. Hey good points. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I have proposed what to put in its place... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. Wow. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I've been at this topic almost two days, and am getting tired; but I will do my best... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Yeah, it is great to have it back. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. But, how do you simplify complexity? |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. AH! There you go again with those thought provoking questions! |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. A computer nerd who makes biological references and is into deep politics... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Wow, incredible. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #42 |
69. That is freaking fantastic! |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
47. In the political videos section, posted by CGowen |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Thank you. CGowen himself gave me that link in #25 above. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. YW, as you can tell I did not read the replies nor your post yet... |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
55. Very involved discussion here |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
62. Bedtime; but please continue to discuss - especially #42 n/t |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
64. For Arendt and Scarlet, already passed it to Orwellian on another thread- |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Thanks, BNH. That's a good link to have in this thread. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
66. Too late to rec but here's a kick... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. And another |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
74. Quote: |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. "Consume and reproduce." - from "They Live" by John Carpenter n.t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. You know J.C. specifically had it released on Bush's inauguration |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Didn't know that. Love the image. Can you give me a link to it? n/t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Here... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Thanks. n/t |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
78. Excellent post and discussion. K & R. |
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Wiley50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
83. and one more |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
84. Still looking for comments on the subthread beginning with #42. n/t |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
85. Last call for comments on #42. n/t |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. My thoughts- |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Thanks for addressing the points... |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. I have never found you to be cynical Arendt. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. The total hijacking of the Democratic Party is relatively recent, and people are still in denial... |
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