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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:53 PM
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citizenship proof in applying for driver's license


Armstrong bill would require
citizenship proof in applying for driver's license
Non-citizens would receive 'stamped' license

Rep. Mike Armstrong today introduced legislation that would require applicants for a Washington state driver's license to provide proof, such as a birth certificate, to show they are United States citizens. Under House Bill 2930, those who cannot produce proof of citizenship would still be allowed to receive a driver's license, however, it would be stamped with the words, "not valid for identification purposes."

"I want to help distinguish between those who have proven citizenship and those who don't. This is so when they register to vote, if they can show this new driver's license that does not include the stamp, it's a clear signal that they are eligible as citizens to register and vote," said Armstrong, assistant ranking member of the State Government and Tribal Affairs Committee.

Armstrong, R-Wenatchee, says the new driver's licenses would also be helpful to prospective farm employers.

"If someone shows up to work in an orchard, the farmer currently has no way of knowing whether that person is or is not a legal citizen of the United States. If the driver's license is not stamped, the farmer can trust that the worker is a citizen," noted Armstrong.

Armstrong stressed that his license proposal is not intended to be an immigration bill.

""We're not trying to prevent people from getting a driver's license. They can still do so, whether or not they are citizens," added Armstrong. "This measure simply says that we want people that have and use a driver's license to use them correctly. Under this bill, a Washington state driver's license that is not stamped would become a valid proof of citizenship. If it is a stamped license, that person would have to show some other valid proof of citizenship for such things as election registration."

The measure would also apply to identicards issued by the state of Washington.

Armstrong said his research found that the Legislature approved a similar law back in the 1960s. However, it has not been enforced.

"This bill would strengthen the existing law and encourage the Department of Licensing to implement this procedure that was originally adopted more than 40 years ago," concluded Armstrong.

The measure has been referred to the House Transportation Committee.

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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:06 AM
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1. Ok, lets see how many U.S. citizens rush to pick Washington apples. I will boycott Washington apple
and buy them if they come from Chile and from Walmart, our local superstore! Frankly, Mike Armstrong can go to hell. Huelga!!!!

<http://www.giumarra.com/our_divisions/wenatchee/chilean_apples_and_pears/>
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muyojoe Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:27 AM
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2. I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYONE GETS SO UPSET,
if they actually did something were the illegals would quit coming or leave their state, then the economy would collapse. I think it would be a good lesson for the right wingers, to get what they want and have to see how bad it is. Personally I think the corporations who own all the big politicians, won't let either party do anything about it, without illegals working for artificially deflated wages, they can't keep wages down in America. There is no way they want them coming in legally for minimum wage. The right wingers just use it as part of their hate get out the ignorant vote fodder, and they use us as an excuse why nothing can be done about it. You're upset about this license, which makes things difficult for illegals, but nothing is done about the thousands picked up each day, breaking up their homes and deporting them.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:35 PM
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3. Making a driver license a national ID it's absurd
remember not all citizens drive a car, so what are they going to use to identify them self?

Passport should be the national ID to use.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:39 PM
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4. There should be a free national ID card
better yet, just make passports free. Everyone should have a valid ID.
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muyojoe Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:04 PM
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7. EVEN BETTER
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:15 AM
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10. That's it n/t
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muyojoe Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:03 PM
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6. SURE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:50 AM
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13. The 2008 "Wedge" Issue
This musta been on Rove's playbook for a while...another manufactured "crisis" that only the repugnicans seem to know how to "fix"...cause, of course, they created it.

Be abortion or gay rights or equal rights...nothing unites repugnicans more than a good hate. They've milked the hate on the black, gays and women...now its the Hispanics turn. And this isn't about just ANY "illegal immigration"...it's directed at Mexicans and Hispanics as you rarely hear a Lou Doobies talk about those who from Eastern Europe who overstay their visas (cause they're not brown-skinned). This issue has been astroturfed...just like it was in the 80s. It's a smoke screen for more bigotry and hatred.

And now with the economy in the shitters...less and less construction jobs and factories closing down, I doubt they'll be climbing the border to take jobs that don't exist. Who knows, maybe we'll end up climbing the fence into Mexico as our living standard continues to crumble.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:40 PM
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5. They've been doing this for years in Massachusetts.
Proof of SS#, proof of residency, Visa documents, passports, etc.

You'd be surprised how many people apply with fake SS#'s ...

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:10 PM
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8. "Not valid for identification purposes"? WTF?
Then why bother? DL's are NOT supposed to be used for proof of citizenship...what a fucking dildo this guy is...

Besides, the "real" ID act sort of addresses this whole National ID card/citizenship bullshit...

We can't get a Liberal in the WH fast enough...all the "Rights" we used to have will have all been eradicated.
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:11 PM
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9. This could get weird fast for me.
I would have to provide my birth certificate, my marriage certificate, and my Washington state name change order for a chain of identity, since I have changed my name twice and my gender once. It could be a real headache.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:08 AM
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11. In 1983, my son needed his birth certificate ( to enroll in kindergarten)
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:09 AM by SoCalDem
and again in 1996, he had to show that same birth certificate to get a CA drivers' license..

GET ID..ORDER A CERTIFIED COPY OF YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE..

If you cannot afford it, ask a relative or friend to help out..If you have an elderly relative who says they don't have one, GET them one for their birthday or Xmas..They propbably need it more than that tie or box of candy..

get them a passport if you can afford it..

democratic leadership in EVERY state should be concentrating on getting IDs for all the people who don;t have them..instead of spending millions AFTER they have been hassled at the polling places.. (my guess is that it would be cheaper)

republicans are NOT going to stop dreaming up bullshit legislation.. just GET THE DAMNED IDs and steal their thunder...



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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:42 AM
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12. So where do legal residents fit in?
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