I want a RONALD REAGAN TRUTH SQUAD....

Why are people allowed to tell such whoppers about the sainted Ronald Reagan? Why does nobody ever call them on it?

Remember when Rudy said, "All Reagan had to do was LOOK THE TERRORISTS IN THE EYES and the hostages were released!"

HELLLO!!! Iran/Contra anybody? It's like that didn't even happen according to the GOP & MSM.

Not to mention he "ended the cold war" and this new one from Real Clear Politics site:

"When Reagan became president, one of his first moves was to reduce income taxes from 70 percent to 50 percent and ultimately down to 28 percent. As pointed out above, both the size of the economy and the federal revenues doubled in eight years."

Jeez. I really get sick of it. I was really happy to see Edwards saying flat-out, "I will NOT use Reagan for an example!" Please! Bush did that quite well and that's why we're in this handbasket.

they are just pandering to the demographic that they think will appreciate that at the
expense of the democraphic, of which I am a part, that is disgusted by it.

The myth of Reagan continues.

He funded more terrorists groups than the contras.

I don't even remember the official "reason" we invaded that country -- I think it was to kick some ass and the fact that their drug dealing compadre had dissed them or messed with their cut of the action somehow...

Reagan agreed to all of Iran's demands, and Iran released the hostages. Throughout their administrations Reagan/Bush paid ransom every time Islamic terrorists took an American hostage. Naturally they kept taking Americans hostage. On one occasion they took the money then killed the hostage anyway.

Americans were being taken hostage so frequently it stopped being a major story.

Then in 1993 on the day of the failed communist coup in Moscow, a US Blackhawk helicopter pilot was taken hostage in Somalia. When the Somalis demanded ransom President Clinton's envoy told them not only, no, but that what we would do if they did not immediately release our man is bring back the Marines.

The Somalis released their captive and no American hostage was taken by an Islamic terrorist from that day forth until W launched the Iraqi debacle.

But Reagan actually had a record as a governor....during it Patty Hearst was held by the Symbionese Liberation Army....as part of their hostage demands they insisted on more food being delivered to food pantries...Reagan quipped regarding the delivery of canned goods for the hungry that it would be "a good time for botulisum..."

Wow I remember that whole SLA thing when I was little...I never did understand why when she was kidnapped kicking and screaming she ended up going to jail etc!!

He basically said that if you're going to protest like that, a bloodbath is what you should expect.

I know what you mean. Reagan was a tool run by papabush and his years were not a good time for much of anything or anyone except the rich.

Huh, I don't remember by income being taxed 70%. That one is really odd.

he seemed out of it way before they announced his disease....I do think that he was a prop for BushCo, just like Sonny Boy is now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2707207&mesg_id=2707207

Lotsa truth right in that one post!

Interesting....but kinda dramatic for my tastes, LOL, what I would love to find is a Reagan Mythbreaker Fact Sheet or something. Seriously I don't think a lot of voters were THERE and don't remember how fucked up that whole Reagan era was.

you will find most of the truths you're searching for. Those of us who lived thru those years know just how dramatic Reagan's atrocities were.

and i`m sure he`s getting what he deserves.

i just loved that line outta hillary. i don't even think americans revere him as much as the GOP does.

That's how I heard it anyhow, the were discussing stuff Barak is accused of saying about Ronnie and she's all, "I never used his name" and he goes "your husband did!" and she said "well I'm here, he's not!" SNAP...

endorsement from a conservative editorial board. It worked. And then, he got on TV and actually said, "I never said the ideas were good, I said they had ideas."

He was pandering to get endorsements and then backtracking the minute he could. I am so surprised at the people who support Obama because they felt that Clinton "triangulated."

He is not one to take responsibility for his actions or his words.

He gives African Americans a bad name, he supported brutal dictators like Marcos and Hussein, and Obama had the guts to view him as a "transforming figure because America was ready for that change"?

Reagan was NOT a good man as chimpy as his cohorts view him!

Conservatives want to have the general populace accept that Democrats are bad leaders and that Republicans are good. So they have for the last 20 years or so been building mythos. One of the great mythos they have built is the Ronald Reagan legend. Apparently many people, including many journalists, have baught into it hook line and sinker. This helps Conservatives in long range plans to win elections. As the electorate begins to accept the dogma that Republicans are good and Liberals are bad.
We Democrats on the other hand tear down our former leaders. How many here have bashed former Democratic presidents? It is the perception we build that the general population will accept as fact. We build the perception that Democrats are greedy whores who are driven by ambition. The Republicans, on the other hand, build the perception that their former leaders were saints and great leaders.
Everytime one of our own gives Reagan a pass the perception builds that we accept his greatness, albeit grudgingly. And that, folks, is not a good thing.

that it was a liberal democrat who won that -- and the Republican business contingent who didn't want to mess with the Nazis because they were sympathetic to them. Charles Limburg et al, that's the truth!!

Also during WWII they were constantly monitoring and stopping war profiteering it its tracks unlike BushCo War Machine Inc,.

I lived in Germany at the time and can remember when the dollar was actually worth a lot.

The value of the dollar was no adequate compensation for the evil that he perpetuated.

you can't complain if something good actually happened in the '80's. It's also the truth.

not St. ronny...

Carter was excoriated for the high interest rates and moderate inflation (which hurts the rich MUCH more than the poor). St. ronny put an end to that nonsense and the dollar grew weaker.

Dollar / German Mark exchange rate rising
01/20/1981 2.00520
01/20/1982 2.30730
01/20/1983 2.42310
01/20/1984 2.82170
01/20/1985 3.17460
03/06/1985 3.41530 <----
01/20/1986 2.46610

US Prime Rate declining
1981-01-09 20.00
1982-02-02 16.50
1983-01-11 11.00
1984-03-19 11.50
1985-01-15 10.50
1985-06-18 9.50
1986-03-07 9.00

Dollar stronger, interest rates lower. I think that's the opposite of what you believed.

They "cut and ran"!

to show he was a real tuffie & he wasn't a cut & runner....

You ingrates ought to thank him for that or we'd all be speaking Grenadine right now! LOL>...

People scare themselves and want a Big Daddy to come and tell them the boogey man isn't real. People scare themselves and want a Kingly looking person to look up to and worship. People are forgiving of all the bad nasty evil harmful stuff because Raygun looked the part.

I am sick of it also.

I mean, I guess to a certain type of person but I remember back in the day his big red hair & bad makeup being fodder for late night shows.....

Of course, I have also heard it said that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 and etc.

on the illegal things he did - and both were hated and trashed by the RW for doing so. Their names - Senators Leahy, who spoke of some of the illegal stuff done on the Senate floor to get it out, and Kerry, who investigated the Contra part of Iran/Contra and was called a nutcase because of it.

Did they both do something similar in this month? Yeah, they endorsed Obama. That's the wing of the party who cared about the government obeying the laws.

Clinton, was Governor of Arkansas, supported funding the RW Contras - as did many conservative Democrats.