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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:15 AM
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The First Black President will be Republican??
Yep. I think so. Here's why... (maybe i am wrong)

Imagine somebody like Colin Powell running for President in the GOP primary. Heck, imagine him sounding like Obama in terms of talking about hope, unity and stuff like that. Imagine a very charismatic, centrist black candidate with a military background. Just imagine Powell running, having never lied about the WMDs.

Try to imagine ANOTHER Republican candidate race baiting during the primary

Easy right?

Actually, it isn't as easy for them because the backlash and risk would be greater. If a GOP candidate's campaign made "shuck n jive" comments, baited on the topic of MLK, suggested he'd get assassinated, implied he was a "hip black male" who couldn't provide, emphasized drug use as a teen, emphasized Hispanics wont support him, etc... the risk would be a LOT higher. It's not so easy for a white Republican to play that game, ironically. No, it really isn't. Not in a national primary.

Colin Powell could make that same simple statement about the MLK thing being "unfortunate" and NOBODY would claim Powell was the one "playing the race card." Nobody of any weight. The media and the entire GOP party would bash the other GOP's campaign... out of fear. Race might stick as an issue, but not in the same way. The black candidate would be able to shake it off much more effectively, and the party would not want to play with fire.


THE ONLY PEOPLE who can get away with race baiting in a primary like this are WHITE LIBERALS who can take offense that somebody like Obama would DARE question their commitment to blacks. Think about it. Only somebody like a Hillary Clinton can get away with a week+ of race baiting, then turn around and act shocked. Only somebody like Hillary Clinton could get the media to be suckered by her indignation. A powerful, white liberal woman with lots of black friends ready to play along. Only a powerful white liberal could alienate the entire black community and assume that general minority support will still be there in November. Think about it. Hillary's support among blacks has TANKED. Do Democrats care? Republicans would be drooling at the chance to rally around a strong black candidate. Yes, they would.

More to the point...

Even if somebody like Obama wins the primary, the Republicans are more free to race bait with him as a Democrat than if it was a black Republican in their own primary. Rest assured... his church will become the primary smear issue if he should win the nomination. We'll see huge stories and articles about "black theology" and "black liberation", along with endless obsession with his pastor and the things he's said.

Only a black Republican could cut through this mine field.

(oh, and the same goes for latinos and probably jews)
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:18 AM
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1. I want some of what you're...
smoking.....:shrug:
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:20 AM
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6. I don't smoke. n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:21 AM
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2. I'm Not Holding My Breath
After the treatment Powell got, I doubt any minority is going to even try to climb the GOP ladder again. The party itself should be out of business by 2020 at this rate, anyway.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:26 AM
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3. Colin Powell whored himself for the GOP...
Treatment he got? He went along with them for the longest.

I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire!
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:06 AM
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4. May i remind you of the Toni Morrison quote... not from too long ago...
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 06:07 AM by Essene
What treatment of Powell? He was treated like a god for the most part and could have easily taken the helm after Bush... if he had truly sold out (that's a long argument in itself).

But compare/contrast with the "spirit" of the Clinton worldview, which in this case I'll use Toni Morrison's past rhetoric as an example.

Toni Morrison... about Bill Clinton in October 1998.


...this is our first black President.

Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President's body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and bodysearched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear "No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and--who knows?--maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us."

For a large segment of the population who are not African-Americans or members of other minorities, the elusive story left visible tracks: from target sighted to attack, to criminalization, to lynching, and now, in some quarters, to crucifixion.


Real uplifting hope...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:02 AM
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8. Powell Was Treated Like a Slave
and he went along with it, which was worse. He was loyal even while he was repeatedly betrayed. He told their lies, he covered up their mistakes, and he paid the price for their crimes.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:30 AM
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13. Thank you!!
General Norman Schwarzkopf repeatedly usurped Powell as Joint Chief during Gulf 'War' I. During Gulf 'War' I, Powell admitted several times that he learned of administration decisions about the 'war' from CNN.

He was brought into this admin ONLY because of his international 'trust' ratings which artifically kept this admin's alleged approval rankings high.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:26 AM
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12. That's where the line came from
Bill Clinton is a lot of things, black is not one of them.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:42 AM
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16. I would just like to point out that Toni Morrison is a terrible author.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 09:43 AM by I work for workers
After reading Beloved, I became firmly committed to the idea that there should be a licensing process before someone can become an author and that Morrison should be rejected from it. Then she should be sent to a desert island so that her horrible story telling can never threaten the literary world again.

I've had to read a few of her works, and the general plot line of all of them has been the same; black people engage in semi-perverse sex, forced sex, and freaky nasty sex to somehow educate me about racism. Beloved was one of a handful of books I didn't return for small change in college. Instead I put a 20-gauge rifled slug through it, and then tossed in in a dumpster.

Back on topic: Only Nixon could go to China, I guess.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:09 AM
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5. I can see some logic in what you're saying
but then I ask myself "If that's so true, how come every time the current crop of Republican candidates marches onto a stage for a debate, it looks like a meeting of the Rich White Old Men's Club?"
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:24 AM
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7. Because blacks historically have little trust or affinity with the GOP. Obviously.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 06:25 AM by Essene
Then again... the white liberal establishment used to feel the same about Latinos.

And the GOP are attracting them now... in large numbers.

After this primary... and in Nov (if HIllary wins nomination)... Democrats are going to have a problem with black voters. There are a LOT of church going moderate black VOTERS who will not forget this and will be alientated by the party, unwilling to be exploited and disregarded so easily in the future.

My point is that if a black candidate on par with Colin Powell came along, the GOP would not destroy him.

They would not take the black vote for granted... or allow race baiting to destroy their party's chances.



Hillary has lost almost ALL support among blacks in New York State. Her home turf.


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:05 AM
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9. This Article Has 2 Points, and the Other Is Hillary
and yes, Hillary is shameful in her willingness to write off whole sections of the innately Democratic electorate. She's written off the feminists, the peace movement and the blacks so far, by my count. Watching it is painful. I can just imagine the feedback she gets from Bill. No wonder he's making crazy in public.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:18 AM
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10. yea and there are a lot of black republican canidates out there
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:19 AM
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11. My black repuke boss plans to run for local office.
He has direct connections with the GOP, mainly the * himself. Who knows where it could lead?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:44 AM
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14. Leavenworth, Maybe?
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:38 AM
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15. Except he kinda did lie about WMD's
at the UN...
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