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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:46 AM
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Would this be a fair statement. Our media is censoring our news, the info they are feeding us
http://www.ocms.in/content/view/674/88888899/

(b) Airwaves constitute public property and must be utilised for advancing public good. No individual has a right to utilise them at his choice and pleasure and for purposes of his choice including profit. The right of free speech guaranteed by Article 19 (1) (a) does not include the right to use airwaves, which are public property. The airwaves can be used by a citizen for the purpose of broadcasting only when allowed to do so by a statute and in accordance with such statute. Airwaves, being public property, it is the duty of the State to see that airwaves are so utilised as to advance the free speech right of the citizens which is served by ensuring plurality and diversity of views, opinions and ideas. This is imperative in every democracy where freedom of speech is assured. The free speech right guaranteed to every citizen of this country does not encompass the right to use these airwaves at his choosing. Conceding, such a right would be detrimental to the free speech rights of the body of citizens in as much as only the privileged few powerful economic, commercial and political interests- would come to dominate the media. By manipulating the news, views and information, by indulging in misinformation and disinformation, to suit their commercial or other interests, they would be harming – and not serving – the principle of plurality and diversity of views, news, ideas and opinions. This has been the experience of Italy, where a limited right, i.e. at the local level but not at the national level was recognised. It is also not possible to imply or infer a right from the guarantee of free speech which only a few can enjoy.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:47 AM
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1. You're right.
We've known that for years.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:49 AM
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6. so why isn't anyone doing anything about it?
I see the problem as our press not doing their job. Nothing we do will matter as long as that is allowed to be.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:16 PM
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30. A wise man said that the answer to "why don't they" is always
MONEY!

It's the corporations, stupid!
(Not calling anybody stupid, just trying to get my pet meme taken up... ;) )
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:48 AM
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2. "Airwaves" are only used by broadcast networks.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 11:51 AM by Texas Explorer
Cable operators are not bound by the laws regulating the public airwaves.

Edited to add: With regard to the broadcast networks, they should be representative of the people, not the companies that own them.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:50 AM
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33. One word: RADIO
Can we force RW talk onto subscription and satellite systems where they belong? And what about the nationalization of so many local stations?

There's going to be a LOT of work cleaning up the damage done to and by the FCC over the past twenty seven years.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:23 AM
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36. Cable Lines are strung along road right of ways, Also Public Property n/t
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:48 AM
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3. Yes
Heck yes!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:48 AM
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4. Yes, they are for all sorts of reasons. nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:48 AM
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5. The media doesn't report, they commentate
And they cherry pick what the commentary is about
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:50 AM
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9. thats right and that in my opinion is the big problem we have
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:29 AM
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37. Until our message can be accessed by way of the average schmuck's tv remote
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:30 AM by Wiley50
our voice will have no popular audience.

Sucks. But that's the way I've come to see the situation.

Air America and Nova M are a start, but we need to be there when america is shuffling through their remote
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:49 AM
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7. our media are used by the oligarchs and their corporations
to exert social control and profitable patterns of dominance
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:49 AM
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8. This morning nada on Clinton/Edwards while Obama had 3 minutes on every morning show inc
all the "news" and "financial" channels!

The media is getting a little obvious.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:54 AM
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10. we have two papers delivered each day, well one is only 5 days a week
they take sunday and monday off, wtf's with that, but anyways we have had conversation to stop both in protest just haven't actually done it yet. Thats the next step for us though
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:52 PM
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18. I'm becoming internet only - but sites like Politico are the same names that would spin in print -
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:57 PM
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19. no doubt. The differencewith the internet is if one so wishes the truth can always be found
printed and broadcast on the other hand, well good luck with that;-)
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:56 AM
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11. Ridiculous quote. There IS a first amendment (free speech, free press)
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:00 PM by robcon
and anyone can use the airwaves to whatever legal purpose they want in the U.S.

The quote has an affinity to the Alien and Sedition laws of the 1790's.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:06 PM
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20. Anyone can't use the airwaves to whatever legal purpose, they want in the U.S.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 01:09 PM by Uncle Joe
A handful of corporations and or mega wealthy might be able to, everyone else is censored in one form or another, there is nothing free about it.

Especially since the advent of television and radio to a lesser degree, free speech has been turned over to people or corporations with one way megaphones and they're buying up newspaper chains as well. Even should you write a letter to the editor, the editor decides what gets published. During any campaign analysis on television, the owners of the pundits decide who gets talked about and who doesn't, then when the candidates, they ignored to begin with don't see a rise in their poll ratings, they use that as an excuse for further ignoring and or pressuring them to drop out of the race. Usually the candidates they marginalize, belittle or ignore are the most progressive and then they proceed to whittle them down until the most corporate loving are the only ones left to choose from.

I don't believe it was a coincidence the most progressive President and I believe many would agree the greatest President of the 20th century came to power during the radio age. I highly doubt Franklin Roosevelt would stand a chance in the television age, on the other had a professional actor, beholden to the corporations first, last and in th e middle such as Reagen would do quite well.

I believe the only thing threatening this monopoly on the current system of one way megaphone style information and exchange of ideas is the Internet and that's a primary reason as to why the corporate media did nothing but slander and libel the Internet's primary political champion for opening it up for the people, while they simultaneously belittled the office of the Presidency with such life changing questions as "who would you rather have a beer with?", for them it 's only about television. Information = power, money and influence as is evident by the the money the networks make during election season and they don't want to give that up.

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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:09 PM
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21. Your post is absurd.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 01:11 PM by robcon
You wrote "A handful of corporations and or mega wealthy might be able to, everyone else is censored in one form or another, there is nothing free about it."

Free speech has been turned over to anyone, and has blossomed tremendously, since the internet has grown. Speech is freer than ever, and in more countries than it has ever been.

You're like a person who is cured of his paralysis, and now complains that you can't do a 4 minute mile. The world will never be like it was. Freedom of speech has never been greater than today - as witnessed by your post which I've read.

Olberman's, Hannity's and Limbaugh's shows would have been banned in the bad old days of the "Fairness" Doctrine.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:28 PM
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22. Apparently, you didn't read my post.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 01:29 PM by Uncle Joe
While the Internet is growing in power and influence, corporate television, radio and chained newspapers still dominate American Perspective and they want to conglomerate even more so as is evident by the recent FCC decision, not even so much as listening to the people.

We have Bush because of television, not the Internet, did the corporate media ever once give Al Gore credit for championing opening the Internet up for the people? The sprouting Internet being something which many people attribute the prosperity of the 90s to. If they ever did, they buried it in some obscure closet. Instead they slandered and libeled him over it, while they enabled a corrupt incompetent to power.

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:40 PM
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25. You're right Uncle Joe and I agree
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:05 AM
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34. You prove my point.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:09 AM by robcon
The networks haven't changed except for one beautiful thing - there are more of them since cable came into being. And they are being challenged for their truthfulness within minutes online.

There are fewer print outlets because fewer people read them (is there a greater anachronism than a once-a-week newsmagazine like TIME or Newsweek?)

The world is a much better place, and freedom of speech, freedom of the press and access to the truth has never been greater in history.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:04 PM
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40. The point of the O.P. and my post
isn't the Internet challenging, it's the dysfunctional censorship created by the corporate media, ie:television, themselves and radio to a lesser extent. With all of this freedom of speech and the press, and access to the truth to that you mention, I look forward to their reporting on the subject, I posted below but I suspect the American People will hear more about Brittany's latest escapades from them or whatever other shiny bauble they can find to replace it, when if ever that wears out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2744348

"UK media slams US media on Sibel Edmonds case"

The corporate media gave about the same amount of coverage and serious analysis to further media consolidation effects on the news and the FCC's farce of a hearing as they gave to the Sibel Edmonds case.

In conclusion, while you may appreciate the free flow of information on the Internet, don't take it for granted. I don't believe the same vested interests that own the majority of the corporate media that became accustomed to dominating the free flow of information and all the money, power and influence that go with it will leave the Internet to the people, with out trying to neutralize it in one form or another.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:59 AM
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12. A bit more about broadcasting in India
It is my understanding that the broadcast television industry in India essentially is a government-owned monopoly. Not comparable to what we have here. As for cable and satellite networks, they are not subject to content controls and efforts to impose them or to impose ownership restrictions, have been unsuccessful.

That, at least, is what I understand to be the case. If someone has more precise information, I would be intersted in hearing more.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:01 PM
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13. How long has this been going on?

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/False_Hope.html

The Politics of News Media
from the book
False Hope
by Norman Solomon, 1994

The USA's major news media pose no threat to what the late writer Walter Karp called the fact of oligarchy. In the United States, he pointed out, "the fact of oligarchy is the most dreaded knowledge of all, and our news keeps that knowledge from us. By their subjugation of the press, the political powers in America have conferred on themselves the greatest of political blessings-Gyges' ring of invisibility. And they have left the American people more deeply baffled by their own country's politics than any people on earth. Our public realm lies steeped in twilight, and we call that twilight news."
Journalists are neither more nor less courageous than people in other professions; we can hardly expect corporate-paid reporters and pundits to make careers out of biting the hands that sign their paychecks. Those who pay the piper, as the saying goes, call the tune-not every note, but the overarching score-orchestration that may seem to be nowhere in particular because it is now almost everywhere, with an insistent drumbeat that after a while gets confused with the human heart. The political muzak keeps functioning as white noise, constant and familiar, with little variation, and loud enough to prevent us from hearing much of other sounds.
To question the divine right of large corporations to occupy America's political throne is a lack of fealty that demands exclusion from the roundtables of mega-media discourse, where political "realities" are framed and re-framed every day.
For people on corporate payrolls, more than a little parental company discretion is advised. Mainstream journalists are cases in point: Criticisms of government-and disparagements of the public sector overall-are far more acceptable than condemnations of corporate power. Yet the facts are cold and hard. "It is beyond doubt that the -) large corporation has always governed, most importantly by deciding whether untold numbers of people will live or die, will be injured, or will sicken," _ comments Morton Mintz, who left the Washington Post in 1988 after twenty-nine years as a reporter there; his attitude was rare in the newsroom. Media professionals are almost uniformly unwilling to voice anything that smacks of a systemic critique of the private-industry juggernaut.
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Corporate control is not interference in the newsroom-if you own an institution you aren't interfering in it, you're running itOrwell anyone? The conditioned reflex of "stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought." The doublethink process "has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt. "
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In contrast, evading the truth of corporate power over news media is a disorienting mental traffic pattern that keeps tromping a path of political confusion. False mappings of society immobilize us to the great extent that we trust public mythologies more than firsthand realities. Imagine if Rand McNally and its competitors issued maps that had little resemblance to actual streets and highways and terrain. To the extent that we believed those maps, we'd be unable to go much of anywhere; we wouldn't be able to plan our journeys, or meet up with other people; for that matter we wouldn't even really know where we were.
"The news" and punditry provide orientation- guiding the public's perception and navigation of the world. At various times, on various subjects, the media compass needle may actually be pointing south, north, east or west; it's no accident that conventional accounts of politics are disorienting, since they take citizens on detours every day-away from clarity about power: who wields it, how, and why. (Astute investors would never make the mistake of trying to get their bearings from the "A" sections of daily newspapers.) As informative compasses, the mass media indicate much more about how those in power want us to perceive and navigate the world than about how the world really is.
Popularized renderings of reality, however phony, supply us with shared illusions, suitable for complying with authorized itineraries, the requisite trips through never-never lands of public pretense. Privately, we struggle to make sense of our experiences; perhaps we can create some personal space so that our own perceptions and emotions have room to stretch. But the limits of privatized solutions are severe. Public spheres determine the very air we breathe and the social environments of our lives. The standard detours meander through imposing landscapes. Beyond the outer limits of customary responses, uncharted territory is "weird"-certainly not familiar from watching TV or reading daily papers. Following in the usual footsteps seems to be safer.
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Getting people to "love their servitude" is a tall order, but in America more modest conditioning has proved sufficient to make quiescence a common way of life. Within a pseudo-security state, the constant rush to desensitize has become a generic fix. To lives of quiet desperation, and to an ailing body politic, mass media are among the key institutions that administer anesthesia without surgery.
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:16 PM
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16. Great quote, I'm saving it! n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:31 PM
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17. Once someone explained to me...
that a 'miracle' is no more than the slightest degree of a change in perception. As far as the media goes, I think that I have had to look at the industry sideways. Confronting it head on is too contradictory. Personality over product and exceptions over consistency.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:02 PM
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14. and it's done intentionally under the guise of being a "liberal" leaning apparatus
The "liberal" mainline media is virtually non-existent. The prevailing structure serves - and has for decades - as a megaphone platform for the vested interests of the corporate/state nexus, and the military-industrial complex.

In the early 20th century, elites realized they had a huge problem in controlling the masses given that, when ability to govern by force is lost to the people having a voice in determining policy, and as that voice grows and influences, more sophisticated means of top-down control are implemented. Lying to the public, manipulating their concerns and fears, is called "manufacturing consent." As the corporatists/rightists/statists became more brazen in their greed and draconian measures over the past three decades, part of the strategy to control the public mind was contingent upon strategically referring to the mainline media as "liberal." The right relies a great deal on this "Orwellian" subversion of language as a vehicle for establishing a parallel "reality" used to win "hearts and minds." Sadly, many dems remain frightfully unwary of the liberal media myth, will vehemently attack those who point this as as being "conspiracy theorists" {a favored right wing smear}, thus playing directly into the aims of rightward interests. If the miles' long list of blatant examples aren't enough to convince Official Deniers, just direct them to which few corporations OWN the mainline media...

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/owners.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4467655342219448521&q=orwell+rolls&total=105&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:09 PM
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15. Yep, doing it right under our noses, huh
And thanks for the links, so helpful
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:31 PM
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23. The Ratings Game
America is shallow. Most of us are more obsessed with Heath Ledger overdosing or Britney losing her damned mind than they are in politics. The networks know this and they program for it. They also don't think that the average American can handle complex information so they repeat the same talking points over and over and over again, boring most of us. It's why you don't see in-depth stories on complex subjects and lots of tabloid crap. American is obsessed with celebs. And don't tell me you aren't because I bet more than a few of you check out the gossip pages along with your political news. I'll cop to it. I just know what is the more important thing and it ain't which celebutante isn't wearing undies today.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:40 PM
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24. Welcome Mystery2Me to DU!!
The media has been manipulating us for years.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:45 PM
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26. Now that we have the internet , maybe we can show them to be who they really are
and we better act fast as the neoCON's would like to shut this internet thingy down like yesterday.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:37 PM
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27. K&R n/t
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:46 PM
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28. The internet IS my medium
One can only wonder, for how long?

I know not of these Russerts, O'Reillys, Coulters, et al save for what I pick up here and a couple of other sites.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:31 PM
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29. for the most part same here
I knew of tatorhead and hes the only one that I did
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:18 PM
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31. 100% correct
They should be kicked off the air
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:31 PM
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32. I can attest the statement is fair and accurate.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:20 AM
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35. Public Airwaves? Where???
Our radio and television bands are bought and paid for by large corporations who don't care about truth or accountability...only profits. But they've always operated this way and its up to the consumer to be wise to what's going on. Be it politics or sports or anything else they cover, it's not to inform or "advance the public good", it's to draw eyeballs and turn them into dollars. Nothing more, nothing less.

Is the corporate media censoring news? I say the word manipulate is a better fit. They work on flash, not substance and look for confrontation and fear over information...if it bleeds, it leads. But this isn't just a US situation...many other countries have government controlled media that has always limited what is said or seen.

The public doesn't have the right or access to its airwaves...they can't afford it. Deregulation has forced out the local owners and operators...the "little guys" and has ruined the industry altogether. With their paid-for licenses secure for nearly a decade at a throw and domination on the limited number of channels and frequencies, what they throw out there you either buy or else.

Want to return the airwaves to some local cotnrol? Then DeReg '96 has to go...but that's so far down the ladder of problems this country faces.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:54 AM
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38. You can find it easy to understand when you analyze the sports commentators
Their model is a knock-off of the same. I once got excited about sports and it's individual aspects. Now the vivid aspect of how many a commentator is so disconnected to the reality. The gossip about players and their lives. It's amazing all the fluff that gets talked about that has nothing to do with the sport at hand. The even more amazing aspect is being able how to understand referee calls based on perceptions they seem to have of teams.

I gave up on corporate news and what it reported long ago. It's more of a made bunch of lies made out of whole cloth. You have to spend so much time figuring out the origination and locution of the lies, falsehoods and hedges that payback seems trivial and unimportant. Unimportant from the aspect that you know most of anything you read has much of a unsung agenda.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:19 AM
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39. Sure Does
But I don't know why an Edwards supporter would care. He's allowed the media to whittle down the field of candidates as if they are the ones who decide who we have permission to elect president.

Too bad Edwards is next. He just doesn't fit that narrative for "CHANGE" within the media that is BLACK MAN VS. WHITE WOMAN.

And who knows, maybe there's a second part to that: Are Americans ready for change? Well, if a Republican wins, obviously not.

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