Does political change follow social change, or vice versa?

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Wed Jan-23-08 06:51 PM
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Does political change follow social change, or vice versa?

I've always thought that political changes are a product of social change. What do you think?

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whatdoyouthink

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Wed Jan-23-08 06:57 PM
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1. What came first?

Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 07:01 PM by whatdoyouthink

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begin_within

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Wed Jan-23-08 06:59 PM
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3. Did those people create their movments, or did those movements create them?

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whatdoyouthink

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Wed Jan-23-08 07:14 PM
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8. Well

"The" Movements (insiders) think they Created them! But others (outsiders)think they (Leader) did...so depends who you ask.

Myself - Think it takes Both, a strong leader (s) and A strong movement - to make a impact / changes / etc... Leader is needed at least for a while - then Movement will follow the Lead (at least for a while) then ether Die! (wither or move on) or Survive? (for a while) on there own...

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whatdoyouthink

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Wed Jan-23-08 06:58 PM
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2. What came first?

The Chicken or the Egg.

I Believe your mostly right - But

Sometimes - I think the Opposite is true too...

If Lead by a Person (s) that have Great Vision - Say Like MLK or Gandhi or Are four Fathers (etc) - then sometimes People need a push!

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Fresh_Start

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Wed Jan-23-08 07:03 PM
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4. Society changes first

political changes is dragged unwillingly behind

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Hydra

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Wed Jan-23-08 07:04 PM
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5. It can go either way

The constant is power. If power is being applied from the social(civil rights and suffragettes), then changes can be made in the political. If the power is being applied from the political(RW Fundies or MIC), it can change the social.

Our problem is that we have no power to in either. Big mistake on our part.

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Orangepeel

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Wed Jan-23-08 07:05 PM
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6. in a democracy, political change follows social change

Representatives rarely get elected unless they are incumbents who are voted for out of habit (no change at all) or capitalizing on a social movement.

Social change can follow political change in the case of a dictatorship, where people are forced to conform.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME

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Wed Jan-23-08 07:09 PM
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7. Social Change.

Politics can attempt to manipulate, encourage or otherwise manufacture that change, but that change needs to occur before the true political change can take place.

For example, society had to first be open to the idea of having their freedoms and liberties robbed from them following 9/11, prior to everything else the administration's done since being able to take place.

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