It snowed in Baghadad and in Southern California...global warming?

With record cold in Maine and record rainfall on the west coast.. Could the Al Gore be wrong? My skeptic friends are challenging me on global, so warming what should I tell them?

most call it global climate change.

Nature seeks to find a balance, so we will have extremes for a while.


Nice ferrets!

The weather is going to get freakish...it's not simply going to get warmer all over.

I've heard that warming in one region (thawing of glaciers, change of course of jet stream, etc.) can cause weather in other areas to cool or change significantly (so perhaps the cold snaps we're experiencing may be related to global warming).

If your skeptic friends are challenging you, go do some Googling research and study up on the issue.

Tell your "friends" that they are fucking morons, and that they need to watch Al Gore's movie.

And maybe you should get yourself a few new friends.

We had record cold last night in NC, but we had more record highs than lows this past month as did much of the northeast.

highs are a "blip" and we've always had them.

No global warming here.

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It snows in SoCal every year (above 3500 feet)

exactly the same way. That's some outstanding analysis on their part. :eyes:

Climate change is a more accurate description. The "cold belt" will move down a few notches, not disappear. In fact, climates that aren't considered Arctic may find, SURPRISE!, that they are now.

But, hey, a few weeks of cold weather and POOF the brilliant scientist "friends of yours" think that means it disproves its entire existence.

Kind of like seeing a single play from scrimmage in a football game and declaring the winner based on that play. MKJ

Right now,with the wind chill factor,it's -40 Celsius witch is normal over here.But about 10 days

ago it was raining ! Spring weather for 3 days in January.

The one and only.:)

It disrupts weather patterns everywhere and intensifies storms.

its based on the world and 365 days
and we had one of the hottest years on record in the past 10 years

but I must say I think there is more here than just Co2 emmissions

I believe HAARP has warmed our ionosphere and that is the real warming entity

HAARP has been used repeatedly and heating our ionosphere definitely has to be effecting us

How exactly is the possible heating of a region of what is essentially outer space sitting 300 km over Alaska causing global warming?

I hate the climate change skeptics. All I have to say to them is "Are you a climatologist?" No, they'll respond. "Are you a meteorologist?" Again, no. "Then what the fuck are you talking about?" Scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in belief that climate change is real and happening. There will always be some people who have contrary points of view, but they are vastly outnumbered. Unless these skeptics are scientists who have done their own research they shouldn't talk.

And if you spent any time studying global warming, you'd know why.

And they laugh at me when I'm the one preaching about climate change, drive a Prius and have all fluorescent bulbs in my house, only to have things like this happen cold, wet snap happen.

MKJ

They may have just been watching Fox news, or Glenn Beck on CNN. They do a great job of misleading the masses.

Climatologists at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City have found that 2007 tied with 1998 for Earth’s second warmest year in a century.
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"It is unlikely that 2008 will be a year with truly exceptional global mean temperature," said Hansen. "Barring a large volcanic eruption, a record global temperature clearly exceeding that of 2005 can be expected within the next few years, at the time of the next El Nino, because of the background warming trend attributable to continuing increases of greenhouse gases."

The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2008/earth_temp.html

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weather is weather. if they think its wild now, just wait.
read the above press release, it is NASA's latest update on
where the world is going.
If your skeptic friends have a better source of info than NASA,
(say, Rush Limbaugh) then they should go with that. For myself,
I try to stay close to what the most experienced experts have to
say.

there is a big world out there. try looking outside YOUR borders

That's always good advice

Global warming, as has been pointed out a zillion times, causes wild CLIMATE shifts and strange WEATHER patterns.

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and if your skeptical friends cannot get this... then they should get a basic how to understand the scientific method course... I think they offer them in college.

Sorry, getting real tired with the lack of scientific understanding and literacy of the average Murican

ENERGY ... like the energy in a hurricane or tornado. Weather is about the translation of heat energy into kinetic energy and the laws of thermodynamics. We'll see a more energetic and varying jet stream. We'll see more frequent and more energetic weather patterns ... from hurricanes and tornadoes to winds around large pressure systems that take warmer air into northern latitudes and vice versa.

ENERGY

We should be building windmills wholesale.

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...is a fucking moron who has no right to discuss this issue.

Look at the 9 miles of melted glacier in Chile (recent 60 minutes story).

Read about something called AVERAGE temperatures. Who cares about PEAKS and VALLEYS, learn about AVERAGES.


Do some research before you post something so entirely silly. :nuke:

I guess the propagandists are pushing the same tired, idiotic rebuttals.

or wherever they have them

Extreme warming, extreme rains, extreme droughts, huge upticks in the size, strength and number of hurricanes...etc It falls right in line with what is forecast to happen.

It doesn't snow in the LA Basin or near the coast (and has not this year either), but at elevations above 1000 feet, snow is not at all uncommon in SoCal.

I can't comment on Baghdad, but it isn't exactly the tropics there.

Personally, I fall somewhere in between the fearmongers and the skeptics on Global Warming. I know that the earth has been warming from the last ice age for about 10,000 years, and part of what we're seeing is that continuing process (and I would much rather be in a warming period than a glaciation period, believe me!) but CO2 emissions probably are adding to the warming, and since we cannot know at what point the earth will reach equilibrium and stop warming, and we've only got a vague idea of what the effects of losing ice sheets and increased temperatures will mean for humanity in terms of shoreline loss and human displacement, reducing greenhouse gases (there is most certainly still a great deal of wastefull consumption going on) seems like a prudent idea.

I'm sure I'm in the minority on this issue here in that I don't operate on the assumption that warming is necessarily going to be catastrophic to humanity and nature. The poles have been ice-free in other periods of the earth's history - if it happense again, it won't be the first time. And I'm not convinced that it will happen. I'm also rather certain that whether or not Global Warming is mostly human-caused or mostly natural, there is probably very little we can do to reverse or even slow it.

Anyway, you can read my post, and the other posts, and then decide for yourself, then maybe suggest that your friends get online and research for themselves - look at the scientific consensus, as well as the opinions of the skeptics and they can come to their own conclusions.

One thing I will agree with most people here about is this - one snowstorm or record cold reading here or there does NOT mean that global warming is not happening, or that it is not human caused. (Nor is 5 straight years of summer heat waves proof of the converse). All of these are statistical blips and have to be looked at in context of the overall long-term trend, which is of consistent warming over many years. The north polar ice cap shrunk to a size never before seen this September, and it's showing huge fissures and may well have passed a tipping point where it may melt faster each summer to the point that there no longer is a polar ice cap in summer in just a few years.

That's the reality. I don't necessarily think it's the end of the world, but it's real and should be taken seriously.

There is no longer any debate..The earth is warming..Ice caps are melting and at a faster pace than anticipated. NASA has photographic records of the ice caps from the seventies right on up to current. Tell your idiot friends that absolute proof of warming is available easily...Earth warming will create some very interesting climate changes throughout the world...It is also completely established that mankind can effect the world's climate either for good or bad..Where do you sit on that fence?

They aren't.

the colds are getting colder and the hots are getting hotter.

hence the term "global warming."

There's no way around that.

And I'm not sure if you've noticed, but it's winter in the northern hemisphere, so things like cold weather, rain, and snow happen, even in arid regions.

freaky weather extremes in both directions are a result of global warming, aka global climate change.

Where you live is one teeny,tiny, part of the world. It's called growing climate extremes, so you should tell all your friends to get used to it. More storms. Bigger storms. More floods. Worse floods. More drought. Worse droughts. More heat waves. Worse heat waves. Get used to extreme weather being normal.

At least try to be more original

Climate is weather patterns over time; it's been demonstrated that the trend in all climates is toward warming. But the consequences of that is not that everyplace will always keep getting warmer; it means that there will be sudden and unusual weather phenomena. The correct description is rapid global climate change, which is the result of greenhouse gases and a general warming trend.

which will soon be almost ice free and navigable in the near future. Scary thought that. There are good comparison photos available on the web; show them to your friends. Antarctic ice sheets are melting, as well.

As to heat and cold, it has been speculated that if, due to the Atlantic warming, and the Humboldt current were to slow or stop, Europe would be much colder.

:eyes:

what the oil company-funded, right-wing blowhards say.

with a hot day in July.

I don't think they EVER had any before in recorded history. This has to be global warming/climate change.