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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:50 PM
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Phelps family exposed, from the inside.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 04:43 PM by Maddy McCall
Some of you have been at DU long enough to remember the last time this was posted and discussed--to my knowledge, that was about five years ago. In this expose', one of the sons who defected talks about being raised in the Phelps household.

Here it is again, for anyone who may want to read it: PHELPS FAMILY EXPOSED


Snippets:

When her father was beating someone and screaming at the top of his lungs, frequently Margie would take her terrified younger brothers and sisters away for several hours. When they thought it was over, they'd come back like cautious house cats, sneaking in softly, Margie on point, to see if the coast was clear. The boys tell how one day their father was in a barbershop and noticed the leather strap used to sharpen razors. It struck his fancy as a backup to the mattock handle, so he had one custom-made at a leatherworker's shop near Lane and Huntoon.

"It was about two feet long and four inches wide. It left oval circles- red, yellow, and blue," says Mark. "Usually the circles would be where it would snap the tip-on the outside of your right leg and hip...because he was righthanded." According to Mark and Nate, their father wore out several of the leathermaker's straps while they were growing up. As Mark Phelps became the angel-appointed in Fred's family cult, Nate was assigned the role of sinner. For Mark, his brother was the needed scapegoat. For the rest of the family, Nate was a problem child, the delinquent of the brood. Brilliant like his dad (Nate's IQ has been measured at 150), the middle son followed another drummer from the time he was a toddler. When he was five, he remembers his father telling him, 'I'm going to keep a special eye on you'. The regular beatings started shortly thereafter.

Nate endured literally hundreds of such brutalities before walking out at one minute after midnight on his eighteenth birthday. His siblings both inside and outside the church agree that Nate got the lion's share of the 'discipline'. "Nate was a very tough kid," says Mark. "I don't know how he endured it, but he did. He'd get 40 blows at a time from the mattock handle. He was just tougher than the rest of us and my father adjusted for that."

Today, raising his family in California, Nate is a devout Christian and a warm, friendly, considerate, mountain of a man. But at 6'4" and 280 pounds, it would be...instructive...to see father and son in the same room today with one mattock stick between them. "I sensed early on this man had no love for us," says Nate. "He was using us. I knew it. And I always made sure he knew I did."

In fact, Mark adds, Nate's obstinate resistance so angered his father that, by age nine, when a family outing had been planned, frequently Nate not only missed it, but Fred would remain behind with him. "And during the course of the day, my father would beat Nate whenever the spirit moved him. " Mark remembers the family coming back once to find Pastor Phelps jogging around the dining room table, beating the sobbing boy with a broom handle; while doing so, he was alternately spitting on the frightened child and chuckling the same sinecure laugh so disturbing to those who've seen him on television. When he wasn't allowed to go along, says Mark, "Nate would literally scream and chase mom as she drove off with us kids in the car. He knew what was coming after we left." The older brother remembers the little one racing alongside the windows, begging for them not to leave him until, like a dog, he could no longer keep up. Mark sorrowfully admits he felt no empathy for him, only relief it wasn't happening to himself. "I just stared straight ahead. I didn't know what he was yelling about. I was just glad to get the hell out of there." But how could their mom tolerate that? Wouldn't the maternal instinct cut in at some point? Wouldn't the lioness turn in fury to protect her cub?

Another:

The Phelps children were up to the challenge "Basically, we had to raise ourselves," says Mark. "It would have been a lot easier if we'd just been left alone to do our own parenting, but we also had to look out for a crazy father. I mentioned Fred Jr. and I began doing all the grocery shopping when we were only six and seven years-old? And the kids did all the household chores? So, working for a living we just took in stride with the rest of our adult responsibilities."

During the school year, Mrs. Phelps would pick the children up after class and take them directly to that day's targeted area. The vertically challenged sales staff would then divide into teams of two or three for safety, canvassing neighborhood homes and businesses. Every hour, they would rendezvous back at the LZ for resupply from mom at the station wagon. Workshifts on weeknights went from 3 30 to 8 p.m. On weekends and during the summer, the candykrieg blitzed major metropoles within a 4-hour drive of Topeka Kansas City, Lawrence, Wichita, Omaha, and St. Joseph. Hours, including wake-up, preparations, and transport, stretched from 5 a.m. to 10 p.m. "There were a lot of times when we would be out there well after dark, and snow was on the ground," says Nate. The Phelps family selling candy door-to-door at night and in the snow attracted the attention of Topeka police, who received occasional queries about the welfare of the children, a law enforcement source recalls. But detectives found no violation of the law, and no charges were ever filed. "We sold candy, and we sold candy," observes Mark.

"It was an art," agrees Nate. Family loyalists Margie, Jonathon, and Shirley are quick to defend their memories. Public sales taught them a lot about the world outside their church, they insist. And they learned a good deal about human nature, adds Margie. Today, the Phelps children are full of stories about their adventures on candy crusade.


Edit to add this little nugget that I'd forgotten about:

During their teenage years, both Mark and Nate worked as law clerks in their father's office. "When a black client was in there," recalls Nate, "my father would play the 'DN' game with us. It stands for 'dumb nigger'. We would all try to use the acronym as often as possible in the presence of the person involved." In the 1983 interview with the Wichita Eagle-Beacon, Phelps intoned, echoing Abraham Lincoln: "The air of the United States is too pure for racial prejudice to keep going, and the nation can't long endure half-slave and half-free. There is not any doubt that the problems of this country derive, in my humble opinion, from the way this country continues to treat black people." But according to his sons in California, part of the theology of the Old Calvinism Fred taught held that blacks were a subservient race because they were the sons of Ham, the son of Noah. Cursed for ridiculing Noah's nakedness, Ham's children were born black, according to the Bible. Some scholars attribute apartheid in South Africa to the fact that the white minority is predominantly Calvinist and takes the Ham story to heart.

Mark definitely recalls that his father taught the Ham story and took it to its Calvinist conclusions: the black race was cursed and meant to be the "servants of servants" - i.e., subservient to whites. Nate agrees. "He taught that in Sunday sermon many times while we were growing up." Both boys recall their father used to tell black jokes.

"And he'd imitate them after they'd left our office," remembers Mark. However, the piece-de-resistance in the ongoing saga of Phelps hypocrisy is the pastor's relationship with the Reverend Pete Peters of La Porte, Colorado.

Peters is the guru-philosopher of the Christian Identity Movement. Known simply as "Identity", the movement believes the white race is God's true Chosen People. They assert the Jews are animal souls that rewrote the Old Testament to give themselves the Chosen's birthright. Blacks are "mud people" who also possess animal souls-meaning they are not immortal and cannot go to heaven. According to Identity, blacks and Jews want to eliminate the white race and rule the earth.




MORE at link above.


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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:55 PM
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1. Thank you, Maddy. Recommended.
I've read this powerful article before. If you're one of the clueless .999999999% who don't understand what a truly evil piece of shit Fred Phelps is, this superb article helps to put things in perspective.

Fred Phelps is a monster. And the day he finally dies, I'll celebrate. I don't know if there is any good in this creature at all.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:58 PM
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3. Hi, terry...
Thanks for the rec.

If you have about 20 minutes, go listen to the podcast from yesterday that I posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2770652

It demonstrates that monsters beget monsters.

Looks like the truly intelligent children, Mark and Nate, defected. The ones who stayed behind, and the offspring they birthed, have no chance for a normal life. I truly pity the children who are raised in this horrific hatred. :(
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:56 PM
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2. Gimme that old time religion...
so I can shove it up the reverend Phelps' ass.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:59 PM
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5. LOL
I'd pay to see son Nate to meet up with his Dad in a cold, dark alley.

:D
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:58 PM
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4. K&R
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:02 PM
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6. Thank for posting. This is important and insightful.
K&R
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:08 PM
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7. Just as one would imagine it frankly. Thanks for sharing
I think *gulp*

Hey Maddie :hi:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:11 PM
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8. Hi, Molly.
:hi:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:16 PM
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9. That's one of the most horrifying things I've ever read
Fred should have been under a jail long ago.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:21 PM
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10. A hateful, small man
Fred hates the world and himself, and took it all out on the most vulnerable targets he could find.

His own children.

This is truly the darkest kind of insanity and evil.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:38 PM
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12. The Dominionist mindset.
If he was willing to do this to his own children, just think what he would have in mind for us Liberals and Progressives. I don't even want to think of what he would do to Gays.
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:27 PM
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11. Fred Phelps is a sick, sick man.
And someday he is going straight to the hell he has imagined for others. I have to believe that.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:54 PM
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13. Why Has This Man
...not yet been laid in wait for?

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:32 PM
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15. I've often wondered that.
And I think that the answer is that no one takes him seriously, because he's such a loon. I don't think that he has any impact on the national debate on gay rights.

I still wonder, though, why some military vet hasn't cracked when seeing the Phelps clan dragging a US flag in the gutter, stepping on it, etc. When they did this in Hattiesburg, a veteran DID crack and charged the Phelps clan, but the police held him back...which was probably good for him, because he didn't need a charge for assaulting a ten-year-old on his record.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:42 PM
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16. The Phelps clan is all lawyers and very sue-happy.
That's why people don't mess with them. They could be sued and lose everything they own, and then some, in a civil judgment.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:02 PM
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17. Yet they have an $11 million judgment against them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/31/AR2007103102278.html

A federal jury in Baltimore awarded nearly $11 million in damages yesterday to the family of a Marine from Maryland whose funeral was disrupted by members of a Kansas-based fundamentalist church.

One of the defendants said the civil award was the first against the church, whose members have stirred anger across the nation by picketing at funerals for service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, often carrying placards bearing virulent anti-gay slogans. The church maintains that God is punishing the United States, killing and maiming troops, because the country tolerates homosexuality.

Fred Phelps, pastor of the Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church, scoffed at the jury and the award.

"It was a bunch of silly heads passing judgment on God," he said. "I don't believe anyone in the courtroom knows what the First Amendment is. Religious views are expressly protected by the First Amendment. You can't prosecute a preacher in civil law or in criminal law for what he preaches."

Phelps said the church would appeal, and he predicted that a higher court would overturn the award "in five minutes."

In the lawsuit, the family of Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder argued that it had suffered invasion of privacy and infliction of emotional distress.

"The fact of the matter is, a funeral's private," said one of their attorneys, Sean Summers. "There was no public concern when showed up with a 'God Hates You' sign."

Messages left for Snyder's parents at their home were not immediately returned.

The jury ordered the pastor and two other church members -- his daughters, Shirley L. Phelps-Roper and Rebekah L. Phelps-Davis -- to pay $8 million in punitive damages and $2.9 million in compensatory damages. Snyder, of Westminster, died in a vehicle accident March 3, 2006, in Anbar province.

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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. That's Why
...although I absolutely do not recommend such a course of action, nor would I ever follow such a course of action myself, I wondered about laying in wait for -- a time-honored American custom -- as opposed to litigation.

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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:10 PM
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23. A proper, good-ol-fashioned tarring and feathering?
with HOT tar and pin feathers.

And then run his ass out of town on a rail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riding_the_rail

Yup, it's horrible. But one question that comes to my mind is "how should a society deal with the truly evil?"

The man is evil personified. The kids should be forcibly removed and placed in protective custody and the family compound should be torched. Do away with this cancer. Be done with it.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:26 PM
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27. According to the site Maddy linked,
the Phelps lost 75% of the lawsuits they initiated.

With those odds I wouldn't be worried.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:43 PM
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32. Mostly Because "We" are not like "Them"
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:47 PM
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37. And A Good Thing, Too
Who would want to live inside that man's mind?

I suppose you're right. But -- & it's a perennial question -- is there a line where, as someone above suggested, behavior like this becomes socially toxic & needs to be excised by such means as present themselves? We're not like Them, to be sure. But is that fact always an advantage to us? In the long run, I think it is. Bet you do too.

But that's darned cold comfort to a child being beaten by a 500 pound, amphetamine-fueled, obscenity-screaming monster. Or to a family grieving the sacrifice of one their own for the sake of G.W. Bush's evil leer & smirk.

We are not like rabid dogs, either. But we do deal with them appropriately, for the public good.

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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:54 PM
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39. Suggested Reading: Escape by Carolyn Jessop
I read this book a few months ago. It is written by a woman who was stuck in the world of Fundamentalist Later Day Saints (the fundy branch of the Mormon church that still practices polygamy) and Warren Jeffs total control over their lives. It was a very uncomfortable read for me because it's so "not me" but it's all this woman grew up knowing.

I understand what you're saying though, there's definatly a part of me that just makes me want to go pound the shit out of this guy and if I were face to face with him, that would be a hard emotion to not follow through on. It's only the thought that it would further his cause that would stop me from doing it.

I do with there was some child advocacy group that would step in and stop what's going on in the House of Phelps. I don't know anything about the law in that regard, but surely forcing young children to carry his message of hate has to be cause for concern. Phelps seems to have cowed the people of Topeka to the point where they're not willing to take him on though.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:18 PM
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36. It's just as well that they have not.
They are ridiculous. It is useful that cretins like this are around to serve as a cautionary tale.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Indeed
Thanks for finding a positive that can made from this sordid, wasted life.

Too bad we still need such cautionary tales, but I suppose it was ever thus, as they say.


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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:31 PM
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14. Here's a Mattock handle for those who don't know.


It's used to hold this:


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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:47 AM
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41. Oh. I was about to ask if that was named after that racist Lester Maddock
But I looked up his name and the spelling is different.

He was infamous for keeping his GA restaurant segregated with an axe handle.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:56 AM
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42. Using such a weapon on his own children puts Phelps into the
monster category.

Lester Mattox was a real asshole.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:25 PM
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18. Thanks for posting that
Ugh the guy is even sicker than I had realized. :-(
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:28 PM
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19. Maddy!!
:hug:





:9

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:36 PM
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21. Swampy!








Big parades next weekend, right?!

:beer: :toast: :hug: :party:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. yep
I'm in a couple myself. :D

You comin' down here?






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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:11 PM
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26. I just might!
Which parades are you in? My brother's birthday is next weekend, and we're thinking about coming. We might end up in Natchez, instead...but I want to come to NOLA!

Send me a PM and let me know!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:03 PM
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22. he needs to be chained up by his heels to a bumper
and dragged around Arlington cemetery until death
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:34 PM
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25. Showtime documentary
I saw it on their On-Demand channel a couple of months ago. They had a radio interview with the son who got out of the family and he talked about the same things that this book apparently does.

I never knew he had other family who despised what he did so it was kind of an eye opener for me.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:29 PM
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28. Okay so I finished that long article.
I always thought that Fred Phelps is a controlling piece of shit, however that article brings it to a new level or should I say low.

Thanks for the link!
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:56 PM
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29. Chilling stuff
Thanks for the link, Maddy. I've read only the first three chapters so far, but jesus christ, that's horrific stuff.



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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:15 PM
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30. Fred Phelps is racist? Whoda thunk that?
:sarcasm:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:34 PM
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31. kick
:kick:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:46 PM
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33. Very nice, never read that about the family.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 01:47 PM by Rex
So Fred is a certifiable nutcase, wow, never saw that coming. :sarcrapsm:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:36 PM
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34. Phelps is insane...The State of Kansas has fallen down in
not taking this man to task for his horrific "family" life.

No child should have to suffer under this abuse.

This subhuman creature is nothing more than a sadist. If he didn't have his own kids to beat, he'd most likely be a serial killer...a true psychopath.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:40 PM
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35. Article Makes me Pity the Man
He's very obviously deranged. Nothing worse than charismatic and crazy. It's no wonder the vast majority of his family has turned out just like him. It's all they know.

It's easy to become enraged at the Phelps clan, but they are more deserving of our pity. I hope someone in Kansas is brave enough to intervene on the behalf of his grand-children.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:33 AM
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40. kickin' back to the top
Fred Phelps is an evil, vile creature... I won't even call him a human being. He needs to be exposed even more...
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