two people I know were voting for Edwards will now vote McCain

this is horrible



These were former repukes with major Bush fatigue and I had been working on them and showing them Edwards stands on issues and they really were excited and liked what they were hearing and reading


now...they migrated back to the repuke side blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

if so, fuckem

They were reformed republicans

I talked them in to giving Edwards a look...they liked what he had to say

now that he has left the race, they are looking back to the repukes



this is what we are losing...those former repukes who liked the populist message

But the DLC will have none of that, and since they make the money from the corporations that gets cobbled up by the horrid media companies to ensure reelection, they see no need for the people since we aren't in the loop anywhere there.

And big business wins either way....corporate Republican or corporate Democrat, all hail the mighty dollar. Meanwhile, half of America doesn't vote, half of our range of political thought has no voice, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

The end of the Robber Baron period was ushered in by populists, as was the end of the Great Depression.

It has appeal in red states...but from red states, what do we get?....the pro-corporate, puke-loving DLC.

it could hardly be because McCain is perceived as more honest or liberal than Obama or Clinton.

The obviously don't care that McCain has said he'll keep us in Iraq "100 years" if he has too.

so just back the frik off

Ya know, if they were your family members you might have wanted to indicate that in your OP instead of referring to your brother and sister as 'two friends I know". Sort of misleading, wasn't it?

However, as with an earlier very similar post, I'm sorry but I do not believe that your 'two friends' aka your siblings, had any real intention of actually voting Democratic.

You cannot raise an issue, back it up with evidence, and then expect people to not examine the evidence you present.

think you know it all


please

Then you jumped all over folks who questioned their honesty by being outraged at attacks on your siblings. More than a bit dishonest on your part, and it calls into question the truth of your post in its entirety.

Some (R)s at my work were looking at Edwards because of his poverty message. They think their party has gone overboard and the rich are getting richer.

:eyes:

McCain and Edwards are so close on the issues.......
:crazy:

they would have voted Gramps anyway.

they were finally starting to listen...


now,



they were like

who is your person now???

I hope that this trend doesn't continue.

Because they're both such OUTSTANDING champions of the people that the only reason to not vote for them is because you hate blacks or women.

Spare me your nonsense. I can't in good conscience vote for McCain, but I would vote for him 100 times before I'd vote for Clinton or Obama. At least the man has an OUNCE of conviction, despite his asinine courting of the religious right.

I'm writing in DK in the primary AND in the general, and I'll be cursing all the assholes who drank the kool-aid and saddled us with ANOTHER disasterous presidency yet again.

:rofl:

I'm voting for Kucinich regardless, because he's MY choice. All I said was I'd vote for McCain before I'd vote for Clinton or Obama.

:rofl:

I won't hold my breath for an honest answer.

The only thing Edwards and McCain have in common is that they're both white males.

That doesn't evn make sense. What was their reasoning?

Mz Pip
:dem:

they liked what they had heard and read



and were ready to make that jump


now.....

they are going for McCain now.

That's what you need to ask them. Beg them at once for the logic of their positions.

How far this country has REALLY come...and with the country in the worst shape than it historically has ever been...will Americans ultimately TRUST a candidate who is NOT a white male?
We can sit here on a progressive site such as this and jab each other with pointed accusations about being sexist and/or racist, but the truth is that VERY FEW here would fit the category of either (of course there are trolls but they don't count)so in essence we are just an echo chamber of mostly progressive thinking.
But we don't live in that world.
There is sexism. There is racism.
The real question is...can it be overcome?
Will this country hand over the reins to something new and untested or are they going to go with something comfortable?
I've got no horse in the race...pardon the pun...so I will ultimately vote for whichever status quo candidate that is thrust to me.
I'm not excited about it...but on the issues...I just can't get behind them and that has nothing to do with sexism or racism and I KNOW I am not the only one who feels this way.

Anyone who thinks those factors won't play a huge part in the upcoming election is incredibly naive. I live in So. Cal and know my share of people who won't vote for Hillary because of her gender or Obama because of his race. And they aren't ashamed to say so.

The Presidential election this year will definitely either tell us how far we've come, or how far we still have to go.

he was a white male - I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it seems like the most logical conclusion.

And his demeaner and his life trials...


the fact that he has been for the underdog in like forever


because they feel like the underdog all beat up by the world


I tell them that it won't get any better with any repuke but...

now they're all about Huckabee, I mean they're even sending him money and putting up huge yard signs and trying to take me to church.

I saw them on my way home, I don't know how they got huck to get the signs to them that fast but I swear it's true.

Ahh shit I can't keep it up, how do you do it?

This ongoing my candidate is gone now it's all about the pukes is fucking nauseating.

The talking heads newsroom music? Apparently it IS imbedded with subliminal messages! Vote for McCain...you must, you must....otherwise the logic is like hiring dwarfs to go pick lint out of King Kong's belly!

How they can go from Edwards to McCain without blinking tells me they're racist/sexist pigs!! They can't stand female politicians in charge, or black politicians in charge!

Because if they knew the issues, they wouldn't make that jump...

I got them to open their eyes...and forget about the one issue and look at what the man had to say



they liked it...

Get yourself some new friends, downgrade those numbskulls to "acquaintances..."

Sheesh. So everyone is the enemy now?

I miss Edwards already.

I'm truly disappointed.

And most likely RACISTS/SEXISTS. You don't go from Edwards to McCain for logical POLITICAL reasons. You do it if the black or the woman causes 'agita.'

You should have your own talk show. Seriously. You could call it the "Everybody Who Doesn't Agree With Me is a Racist and/or Sexist!" show.

I know (R)s who were looking closely at Edwards and Dems who have said they will not cast a vote for her.

That leaves McCain.

The media told us last year at this time that it would be Clinton/McCain. We are just lock step obeying.

Seriously -- I had been told that don't think there is anything behind Obama's message.

Of course, there is one co-worker thats voting for Hillary because Obama is a "muslim".

People are strange.

Yeah, I'm skeptical.

Hillary grates on people's nerves, and Obama doesn't know what he is talking about. Obama just stands there and sounds great but doesn't say anything.

The Republicans just won the election. There is practically nothing we can do from here on out that will make any difference.

They will bite her head off at the first chance and slaughter him in the debates.

frickin' wonderful!

I don't find it too big of a stretch. For example, even my wife, who is a solid liberal dem, who hates Bush and agrees with me on nearly all issues, sees McCain as "not that bad."

You see, it's not an issue thing, it's personality. Too many people pay scant attention to issues, but rather focus on whether the candidate is "likable" (remember * and how people thought he was "someone they could share a beer with"? Think the general public is any different now?), and to "regular folk" out there, McCain somehow impresses them as "likable" and "grandfatherly." Of course, the M$M is helping shape that image.

Ignoring or ridiculing this phenomenon puts us in serious jeopardy come November.

:rofl:

I always thought "you know McCain isn't so bad..." Then I took several online where do I stand on the issues, where do the candidates stands and surprise surprise McCain generally comes in dead last. McCain is surprisingly much more conservative than generally presented. I imagine if this person had his friends take a similar test and they really were close to Edwards on the issues they would find McCain is not a good choice for them.

and have them take an online test. Crap, I can't even get my own mother and sister to do that, let alone my colleagues! They're like, "Oh, I already know all I need to know about all the candidates." Of course, everything they "know" has been spoon-fed to them by the M$M.

and it's making me crazy. Just this past weekend, we were with 3 other couples for a getaway weekend. And one of the women, a liberal, said "I'll vote for Bloomberg if he gets into the race." When asked why, she said "he's smart." She has NO IDEA where he stands on any issue. And then another one of the women said she wouldn't vote for Edwards because "a friend of a friend" said he was in the Indian Princess (!) group with his daughter with Edwards and his daughter...and Edwards was just too full of himself.
Sheesh. We're looking for leadership and we get people more interested in their perception of a person and some anecdotal comments from someone they don't know than issues. I was a little strident in response. Is it too much to ask for people to THINK?

he has this media image as a moderate (Maverick Republican), you know the "Straight Talk Express". The same MSM image that Lieberman has in Republican minds. If those two pair up and run together I think that would be our worst nightmare, they are both Media darlings and each can get crossover votes.

It's a natural jump from "Fight the corporate power" Edwards to "Fewer jobs, more wars" McCain.

:sarcasm:

in fact, these folks are doing what I expect many edwards voters to do.

Either go back to what is comfortable or stay home

they were lying to you

second, from EDWARDS to MCCAIN?

no chance in hell.

because a progressive wasnt on the ticket is beyond stupid

for a reason. Neither has a chance in hell of winning, and both are corporatist flunkies anyway-- so even if they do pull it off, it's a win for Wall Street.

I remember hearing the media clowns people swoon over Obama during the last Democratic Convention. I wondered why they were fawning over him so much. His speech wasn't nearly as awesome as their praise suggested, and he was an unknown. It didnt' make any sense.

Later, when the primary season started gearing up and I saw who the candidates were, it was all clear and I could've told you right then that it'd come down to Clinton/Obama. Our media would make sure of that.

Are they on crack?

Edwards is a self made man, he is everything that a repub would like to be. He's a pull 'em up by the bootstraps guy, another repub attraction. Obama and Clinton are the "typical" liberal. She of course because of her husband. And Obama is a black Kerry, an elite. McCain doesn't seem like he is that bad, and is not a religious nut. He is safer.

zalinda

nt

Anyone who supported Edwards seems unlikely to choose McCain as the second choice :eyes:

Is is possible that they just got tired of hearing about Edwards and they were just telling you that they would vote for him to get you to quit talking about him?

Not a single Repig I know would vote for any Dem. But every last one of them lies.

Don

it would take to make you stop talking about politcs.

If Edwards' message resonated with them, there's no way they could go back to a Republic.

You can sit and pretend racism and sexism are not at issue here but you are in for a shocker. True, even some pukes are sick of their party and were looking at Edwards as a strong alternative. He was our only hope. We can all pretend it's not there, but the ugly truth is there are plenty of our own Democrats who are NOT going to vote for a woman or a black man. We can sit here and pretend all Democrats are ready for a president who is not a white man. I don't think so. Many rural democrats and older democrats are NOT going to vote for Obama or Hillary. They were going to vote for Edwards but now they will be drawn to white male McCain, the war hero. I was talking to a black co-worker today and she said many of her black acquaintances didn't like Obama because he wasn't "black" enough. There are other dems I know who don't like Hillary. I know several "good old boy" union dems who can't bring themselves to vote for a black or a woman. They could get behind Edwards, but now they will either not vote or may be drawn to McCain's macho war hero image. We can pretend your average voter is savvy and has really researched the issues. That's bullshit. Most go by what their buddies and families are telling them and what they see on TV and read in the news. I'm shocked by the number of EDUCATED dems I know who have no idea who Sibel Edmonds is, or the specifics of the Valerie Plame debacle, or what PNAC is...I could go on but it's useless. What I fear is the pukes will run McCain and he will win or it will be close enough for them to steal another one. I know I don't post much here so my views will probably be ignored or flamed but so be it. This is not going to have a good result, I fear. I really hope I'm wrong.

because the stats on people younger than 45 are totally opposite to the prejudices you cite. Younger people do not have the biases on gender or race that are still prevalent. Yes, they're there. But not as pervasive as with older people. Younger people WILL vote for a woman or a black man. We just need to get them to the polls.

49 just this month. I agree about the younger ones. The problem is there are plenty of young ones that are young Republicans, especially those that have been raised in privileged households. The young Dems are out there but I'm afraid they are far outnumbered by the Dem baby boomers.

this election year in the younger voters. They could be the driving force for a Democratic takeover of the presidency and add to the numbers in Congress. Whether it's Hillary or Barack, the Dems have the heat. The Republicans will have yet another old white guy who generates little enthusiasm. What the Republicans will have are more "hot button" issues tied to the ballot in order to herd the sheep. Abortion, immigration, gay marriage...whatever they can think of to get the base to the polls. Cause their candidate just isn't going to be enough on his own.

voting block, and they will support McCain, especially if Obama is the Dem nominee. I'm 55 and it's been my experience that people of my parents' generation (they're 85) have an entirely different view of humanity than I do. They look at a person and see a member of a particular race or ethnic group rather than just another person. They want to vote for someone they identify and feel comfortable with. Plus, they lived through WWII, and McCain's status as a war hero plays well with them.

Younger voters will have to vote in huge numbers to offset the seniors who will support McCain.

I live in SW MO, which is bible belt country and has given us Roy Blunt, John Ashcroft, and the Assembly of God world headquarters. A co-worker was grumbling about Edwards dropping out because she also has bush fatigue and has voted repuke in the past. She was lamenting the fact her choices were now Hillary or (and I quote) "that Musama or whatever his name is". Nice morphing of "Muslim" and "Osama", huh? I imagine she'll go back to voting repub, since she can't vote for Edwards.

Look about 100-150 miles north and you'll see me waving!

except for his 10,000-year war plan in Iraq, McCain is more liberal than Clinton.

Got some links to back that up?

not sure what you're smokin'. Care to specify? McCain does not support a woman's right to choose. He's backed off his immigration plan (he'll sign the bill if it's offered...but he's quick to declare "it won't be offered." -- so, that subject is closed. He's not fighting for it). He does not support gay rights. He's anti gun control. He has no healthcare plan. And he's non-specific on environmental issues.
So. Where's your argument that he's "more liberal" than Clinton?
(Are you listening to Rush again? Here's a clue: Rush just makes stuff up.)

Seriously, they're REPUBLICANS. Republicans don't believe either women or blacks can be in positions of power. If your friends were leaning toward Edwards it was because they were racist fucks to begin with, and after all, Edwards is a rich white guy...something a Republican can always relate to. They were too embarrassed to vote for an actual Republican so they're picking McCain, who is Republican only because he loves war and more war. I'm not surprised at all. Even crazy-ass McCain is better than a woman or a black man to these people.

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democratic party members have not had this lesson adequately sink in yet. yes virginia, style often beats out substance.

but I am not suicidal. Voting repig is signing the US's death certificate.

just not going to vote. Myself I don't know, I will watch the debate tonight and see if they talk about issues or just throw more mud. My bet the media whores will pretty much keep the subject on snubgate, race and gender issues. Since Edwards or Kucinich are not going to be there I expect little substance will be discussed.

and are too stupid to care.

Doesn't seem too odd to me..

I am listening to Obama, but he is short on substance and bigger on charm. Clinton is just a disaster.

There are just no progressives. It is quite depressing.

now they think the dems are just damn stupid! they will never ever ever ever ever vote for Hillary..their hate for her is boundless!!

and they are working that fervor up for Obama.


oh and they are wealthy Repugs...who give alot of money to candidates.

One even was in a commerical for Bloomberg when he ran for Mayor.

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