When Nader admited he accepted money from the GOP, were you happy or upset?

I was very upset.

Since it proved that he was a hyprocrite. I thought he was suspect in 2000 (when he kept insisting Bush and Gore were similar, and when he lied about running in competitive states) so I was not the least bit surprised that he took money from the Republicans. To say that I was happy would have been a stretch, though. I would rather have been pleasantly surprised to see him turn out to have scruples, but alas, it was not to be.

and that still wouldn't change my opinion of him.

from him that he owned stock funds that included war weapon corporations.

but i didnt blame him as the sole reason we lost the election in 2000.

youre obviously under-informed on just how bad the fraud was.

here, see a lil flash video on just how florida went down and why it went down...

http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html


such hatred for someone who, yes is an egotistical asshole, but spouts the same liberal ideas that most of do.

HUGE!

I'm inclined to think he's either insane or quite evil.

Who voted to confirm (and who had the power to stop) Scalia & Thomas and Robert & Alito?

If the shoes were on the other feet, do you think the Republicans would have allowed comperable progessives to have a seat on the bench?

Even an eminent scholars like, say Lawrence Tribe?

On account of him being irrelevant.

of campaign funding in general.

I've always had.

Whether you love Nader or hate Nader, I believe our problems are much bigger than that, being institutional in nature.

Some people condemn Nader because he said there was no difference between the parties and called Al Gore and George Bush Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb, I view that as a partial truth from an individual human and as such, any human can make mistakes or even be corrupt if you prefer.

However the most damage and biggest threat to our democratic republic comes not from an individual tree but from an entire forest of dysfunctional institutions, whether they be a corporate media set on brain washing the American People by denying or twisting the truth all to suit their own agenda, our corrupted vote counting procedures, our dysfunctional overflowing prison system of 2.2 million Americans the vast majority of which are in for non-violent drug related offenses, the out sized power of the military industrial complex, the hollowing out of our voluntary military while they grow corporate mercenaries. The common denominator of all this is the supremacy of the corporation or super citizen over the American citizen and they rule by the maxim of divide and conquer.

tells me the Dems should throw money at whatever RW religious nut decides to run as an independent against McCain this year. Why should we be the only party that loses a small percentage of votes to a 3rd party run with money from the much large competitors party.

Should I mind the contributions SHE'S received from corporate and right-wing sources?

:shrug:


Keep on truckin' ... and missing the point. (Just a bunch of inane shit.)

for the sole purpose of helping destroy the Dem candidate in the general elections, and get a Republican elected. Nader is the only one.

SOME people regard the Green Party as LIBERAL. (I do.)

She's tiny and tall. :)

Again, you are making very serious and reckless charges.

accusing Cynthia of that?

Shame on you for making so grave an accusation so carelessly.

.. that the Green Party here makes some really DUMB decisions (like helping get a Republican elected) and doesn't so much as reach to the height of the ankle of the Green Party in Europe. The Green Party in Europe is physically active. They actually go into factories that are damaging rivers and sabotage their operations, etc. The Green Party here just selects Nader so he can get another Republican elected. So impressive.

get it from the library. He's a piece of walking crap.

I take your statement for exactly what it is worth.

It does us no good to simply smear or react to politicians that run against Democrats. It takes zero brains to do that, especially when we can learn from their candidacies.

Or, maybe that's wrong. Maybe it does Democratic candidates good to just smear and impugn people who run on other tickets. Maybe that's the kind of political discourse that will move this country forward. :sarcasm:

of San Francisco.

Listen -- go ahead and demonize Ralph. It won't get you anywhere. Because the two top Democratic contenders have taken MORE Republican money than he ever did.

.... and hey, people can make mistakes. However, to be defending him after what the despicable @hole did, is rather demented or just plain evil. The man is a narcissistic scumbag. He wasn't really interested in helping those who were the biggest victims of the Republicans. He was interested in being heard, and because third parties have an impossible time in an election system that involves delegates, when he realized it just wasn't going to happen, he did what desperate sociopaths do: he ensured that everyone went down with him.

Then of course is all the other crap. He claimed to be the champion anti-corporation hero, he claimed every Democratic candidate was sold out to corporations, when in fact, he'd gotten VERY rich through corporate investments.

Nader is trash. Read his last book and stop attacking me for repeating here what he himself has admitted to.

whenever they ride in cars. What trash! :sarcasm:

And, I am not attacking you. I am asking you to substantiate your horrendous claims.

You don't have the stomach to go look and see who Hillary and Barack have taken money from. I don't blame you. It made me ill.

.. or that no one had ever in the history of mankind worked towards safeguarding the public welfare from dangers. How many times are we going to have to hear about the Corvair? And does the Corvair story somehow exculpate him from all the MAJOR CRAP he has done since, and the punishment he has meted out upon the most helpless people of the U.S. indirectly by "taking everyone with him" when he realized he wasn't being listened to? Uh...no, sorry.

And thank you for laying out so clearly that Ralph Nader was responsible for the Supreme Court stopping the Florida vote count.

Who did you blame when they stole it from Kerry? And who are you going to blame in 2008?

We really are our own worst enemies, blaming NADER of all people.

Nader is the new Clenis!

:rofl:

www.opensecrets.com

Get all excited about Nader but, don't fool yourself about how our elections are funded. I can hardly blame anyone any more because our whole system is so corrupt you need a shower after reading about it.

Go look at who Hillary and Obama took money from, for starters. :shrug:

for the sole purpose of destroy the Dem candidate in the general elections. Nader is it. If you know of someone else that has done this, start talking.

Democrats. I gave you the link.

If you have to project all over Nader, that's cool. But, you're not doing yourself any favors.

for taking GOP money and you have yet to recognize how rampant that is in you own party.

Please.

If that upsets you, oh well!

had the Democrats run a liberal campaign.

But, no. You have to diss him for running?

That's a fine little democracy you have going there.

Tie yourself into knots if you choose. The fact is, Nader would have no supporters if the Democrats stopped catering to the right wing of the party.

You don't even have to guess. It's all right there.

And I wonder how crippled you think your party is that you need to blame him for your failures.

I don't have to guess. I know what happened in 2000. And in 2004, for that matter. And I know what will happen in 2008 unless some of you stop whining and start looking into how your votes are counted.

On the other hand, whining may be more satisfying. It's certainly more efficient than doing the work you need to do to reform our elections.

Read about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2805119

The country went right wing from bottom to top, Harry Reid is not strong enough for you? Are you...getting involved? Giving out pamphlets to ordinary people about the issues? Talking to everyone you know about the real issues? Are you trying to get elected to local groups of anything to replace right wingers? Or are you sitting home fuming about Reid and nothing else?

My point is that if we want to switch back what the Repukes turned to right wing, WE need to get involved and stop whining because of what the cancerous spread of right wingerism begun by the right wingers decades ago.

and how many Dems repeatedly vote for (not to mention repeatedly enable and legitimize) Republican policies through legislation and confirmation of extremist nomineees.

No one can say at this point that Nader wasn't right about that....

.. in the general election, for the purpose of allowing a Republican to win.

and they've done so quite effectively over the past 12 or so years.

If they hadn't, neither Nader -nor the Greens would have a constituency.

He has negative credibility.
:puke:

... yet pretended he hated them. Then he accepted money from the Republicans for the purpose of ensuring a Republican president. He's a piece of trash.

because of him, 4000 soldiers have died in Iraq

There are DUers who would vote for him. That's fine, but he's not presidential material to me. No experience, erratic behavior, naivete, etc.

What a hypocrite! If he doesn't know that the Republicans are the main culprits keeping us from implementing a lot of the policies he supports, then he's blind. If he doesn't see that his candidacy only helps the Republicans, he's blind. And I know he isn't blind. So it's hard to understand what his motives are and just what he thinks he's going to accomplish.