Ok on Britney Speas and 51-50 holds

I am amazed at the lack of empathy. Let me explain, in layman terms, what a 51-50 is. When the authorities believe that you are a danger to self, or others they can forcibly commit you for seventy two hours to a mental health facility. Truth be told, most authorities hate doing these things because the paperwork is nasty

The fact that she was been committed TWICE in less than thirty days, on a 51-50 hold, tells me she is sick

The reaction to this also tells me that as usual people have very little empathy not only to stars, but to mental health patients. Britney is sick... what exactly ails her, I don't know. And for god sake, I do hope she gets the MENTAL HEALTH CARE she needs... but the snide remarks about any of you NOT having any sympathy for her tells me more about you, than it tells me about Mrs Spears (or the bread and circuses that goes with it).

As I said, most police departments, EMS services and ER docs hate the paperwork... and the other big secret is that beds are a rare commodity (yes this started with Reagan)... but her tragedy (and it is a tragedy) and your reaction to it, tells me that as usual people truly do not understand that mental illness is real. In her case, it is very real. So a little sympathy for her might be a good idea.

Oh and the paparazzi.. I have nothing good to say about them. I never have, and I fear never will.

Something is clearly wrong.

unless she was driven to this state by something in the water (in which case it becomes a public health concern, and yes it has happened, some heavy metals do that)

But that is no the point MENTAL HEALTH is a real issue... as well as MENTAL ILLNESS

and believe me, it doesn't happen unless there is a serious reason for it.

who at times had to talk to ER staff about it.

Paperwork (I don't care what country) is a bitch.

especially when it's combined with plenty of alcohol, and god knows what else.

MENTAL HEALTH crisis... and the lack of empathy since she is a star and rich... I personally have that thing called empathy... for all involved.

Honest. Truthful. Not melodramatic; not using overblown analagies, and more importantly, it was about what is the right thing to do. It addressed major problems people have with empathy, and people telling themselves that the mentally ill aren't really ill.

I agree with you. Completely.

Furthermore, that was simply a good post. No bullshit. I'm pretty much blown away, as you can tell.

:thumbsup:

she is our current recipient for bread and circuses and hot damn, this country does NOT get mental illness

There are days when people seem to think mental illness is either a ploy to get attention, or a sign someone is evil or criminal.

(ie - Someone is depressed. "They should snap out of it" Someone does something bad "they must be a psychopath", as if no normal person ever did anything wrong.)

Sure, sometimes a rich person will make a complaint that will be stupid; about something that all of us put up with normally.

And sometimes they will run into trouble where money doesn't help. Doesn't even mean anything. They are just as human as the rest of us. Horrible things that happen to them are just as horrible as those things when they happen to us.

But again, you are right on the subject of mental illness.

hearing.

She is in deep shit.

We will see.

Jealousy really brings out the nastiness in many people.

I'm not hostile to Britney, but the way in which she is handled by authorities is special. Unfortunately, most Americans see only the harsh business end of such interactions. Meaning, they get thrown down, beaten around, and generally treated like criminals.

I worry about all those people with mental problems - the ones who don't get star treatment, who don't have the money to have the best treatment, who might be killed because they're off their meds today.

I try not to pay any attention to Britney or any of the other stars with problems. There are real problems to worry about, and those are the ones I address.

but the first 51-50 she was carted off, TIED DOWN... not that I can blame the medics for that.

So she didn't get tasered, they just used the restraints in the rig and got her out in a very uncomfortable position... hands tied down to the side of the gurney is all but nice, as well as feet restrained.

The second time around she willingly got onto the gurney... care to bet that happened because she got restrained by some burly firefighters the first time around?

Been there, done that with mental patients, and after the first fight they loose, they become somewhat compliant...

to determine if the involuntary hold should be extended to , IIRC, 21 days? Serious indeed.

Right now I think they only have a T-con. That her father and her attorney are the reps and not the county suggest they filed for probate conservatorship even though they started with an LPS, so her conservators need not prove organic mental illness. They only need to prove she cannot provide for her own food clothing and shelter

her and not her check book and yeah that means you too Britney's parents.

poster child for mental health care and why it needs to be funded

:-)

There could be a good thing coming out of this one

and why should I care?

just goofin'

on this one

:-)

Would not be a goof

... on a very personal, gut level - thanks for posting this.

should be ran over, killed, murdered, shot, hung, or 'suicided' on sight.

but they are far from my favorite people

I'm a part-time photographer, and I see videos of them trying to get 'the shot' and I hate them all. Run them down, take their gear.

But that does not mean I wish them personally any harm to them... even if they bring harm to others

If they want to put this on an entertainment news show then have at it, but it should not be a top news story and it always is.

The girl is fucked up in the head and I really don't think think she'll live more than another year or two. Just keep it off the national news.

They serve her up, no one is outside their studios calling their b.s. so everything is bidne$$ a$ u$ual.

as I said, use this opportunity on bread and circuses to EDUCATE yourself on mental health issues

And if she gets the RIGHT treatment, she will be around for a long time. If she does not... well... she could even end up in the streets with the legions of OTHER mentally ill people who apparently don't count either.

And yes it belongs in E-Tonight, but that is not what amazes me about this... but the callous reactions to it

I think maybe its easier to see past the cynicism and recognize a person in some serious trouble. :(

Now get her off my television and out of the damn news cycle. I'm tired of having to listen to all the yammering about a drugged up, freaked out former pop princess. After the past few years of wall to wall Britney coverage I think it is a natural reaction to wish that she goes away for a long while.

with 1,000 of your best friends and let them KNOW LOUDLY(so it even leaks into their soundproof studios) how much you object to the tripe they forcefeed you. Demand they put their attention on YOU instead. As props, I'd suggest placards, plastic pitchforks and electric torches. Don't forget your camera.

...by our corporate culture of disposable workers. I am sorry for her pain, since now her bahavior doesn't seem to be her own fault, but she will never starve or be made homeless. Her kids have more of my sympathy, as none of this fiasco was ever their fault.

if the judge does find she is not mentally competent... in our culture of we do not care for mentally ill people, she just may

It will truly depend on her dad at this point

As to the kids... I hope they can have a more or less normal life... after all mom is nuts... and kids are cruel, if you get my drift... by the time they get to school

desperately needs, at least I hope so.

Now I wish her strength and health.

People who have family members who are mentally ill understand and empathize with Britney Spear's condition. I had to watch my sister go from a vibrant, talented, intelligent young woman to a shell of her former self, after 21 years with schitzophrenia. She lost her fight last June, after prolonged physical problems, some of which were brought on by her anti-psychotic meds.

People who don't at least sympathize with this young woman's problems are just heartless. I've never been a fan of her music, but I can at least care that she gets the treatment she needs.

be 5051, no dash? That's how I've seen it through the years.

I'm just saying.

for years.

Yes, I used that code several times over.

Never fun...