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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:06 AM
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Gap between rich and poor wider than ever, report says
The gulf between rich and poor in the United States is yawning wider than ever, and the number of extremely impoverished is at a three-decade high, a report out Saturday found.

Based on the latest available US census data from 2005, the McClatchy Newspapers analysis found that almost 16 million Americans live in "deep or severe poverty" defined as a family of four with two children earning less than 9,903 dollars -- one half the federal poverty line figure.

For individuals the "deep poverty" threshold was an income under 5,080 dollars a year.

"The McClatchy analysis found that the number of severely poor Americans grew by 26 percent from 2000 to 2005," the US newspaper chain reported.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070225/ts_alt_afp/useconomypoverty_070225003515
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:24 AM
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1. The big question is:
When does the lid come off? Things continue as they are, they're gonna. That said, what will be the point of sufficiency?
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:45 AM
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2. That is of course the republican game, let the steam out slow
all the while raising the temperature on the working people in the middle and on the bottom. Make the people in the middle so afraid of being on the bottom they shut their mouths and take all they get from the ruling class.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:56 AM
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9. Agreed
This is in fact exactly what a Republican told me just yesterday when we were discussing this very issue. It was phrased differently by him pointing to the excellent management of the economy by Greenspan and the new guy, but comes down to the same thing....
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:17 PM
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24. Ah, yes. Feudalism worked very well for those who were on the top of the heap.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:59 AM
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3. k&r for a very important story- in the MSM no less! n/t
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 01:08 AM
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4. Don't worry a rising tide lifts all.
We should just implement a fair tax and everything will be "OK"! Sarcasm over.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 01:23 AM
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5. A tax cut for the uber-rich should fix that
:sarcasm:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 01:28 AM
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6. K&R.nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 02:35 AM
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7. So how long will we take it? How bad does it have to get before people
start fighting back in meaningful ways?

Meanwhile we continue to be inundated with skewed and meaningless studies and figures that serve no purpose other than to let those that are not doing as poorly say things like "it's not that bad, look at me. If you just work hard and stick to it it'll all be OK".

I've spoken with so many people over the last 10 - 15 years that are, in one way or another blaming themselves for what has been done to them. Depressed and desperate, they are ashamed for being in a situation they had no control over nor part in creating. Shameful.
:kick: & R

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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:11 PM
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22.  I blamed myself
When I lost the last good job I had I blamed myself and was angry for months . My wife kept telling me it's not your fault you were just not the type who would sell out and lie and you were in a place filled with bush supporters which certainly didn't help .

The owner was alot like bush , he was a drinker and drug user and his father said if he cleaned up his act he would be president of the company , well he became a born again and a bush supporter which not not something I knew about until near the end of my 12 years there .

No matter what one does it seems the more liberal and honest you are it is all about money and lies which builds the bottom end , you have to play the game .

This is a real shame where we have lost most of the honest business owners or fairness and courtesy in todays society where everyone is in one big hurry .
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:15 AM
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8. And oddly enough, virtually every index of dysfunction for illiteracy
to murder is proportional to it.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:21 AM
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10. Some conservatives would call that a "strong economy."
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:27 AM
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12. This is what Cheap Labor Republican Conservatism is all about.
It's simply freakin' amazing the amount of people who work for a damn paycheck who keep voting these bastards into office...
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 04:31 PM
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30. Chaps my ass
How short sighted some citizens can be. It just goes to show that most of us are sheeple and easily led.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:27 AM
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11. i know that feeling!
sigh, I miss the 90's.

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:27 AM
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13. Growing Gap - information resources
Go to http://www.growinggap.ca/.
Lots of research and background information.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:20 AM
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14. And now for the good news:
If the overall economy worked like the health care system, the U.S. would have 46 million homeless.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:32 AM
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15. Its what causes Depressions Economics 101
and obvious Bernanke and others didn't take the course
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:43 AM
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16. We See 16 Million People In Poverty
They see 16 million recruits for endless wars in the Middle East.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:00 AM
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17. And yet I still get dirty looks when I tell people I'm a socialist
I see absolutely nothing wrong with taking money from the uber-rich. They just don't deserve that kind of wealth. Nobody does.

People in this country are conditioned to look askance at socialism. Redistribution of wealth seems pretty cut and dry to me. If we were really a Christian nation, we would acknowledge that every person deserves a decent standard of living. Instead we sacrifice our brothers and sisters on the altar of consumerism.
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chchchanges Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:39 PM
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26. If you want to get even dirtier looks...
... tell people the little known fact that the original writer of the pledge of allegiance was a socialist.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:53 PM
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28. Yes it's ironic that the Bellamy salute was later adopted by the Nazis
If anybody hated the socialists more than the American public, it was Henry Ford's buddies in the Third Reich.
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:09 AM
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18. When you combine this with a huge and growing middle class debt load,
the American economic situation appears scary close to self annihilation after years of rethuglican pandering to the rich. Corporate America has been allowed to define what is is to be American, put a high price tag on that definition, and has mesmerized with glossy ads to convince us we need this product to achieve the dream of Americana. They've made a perverse game out of one-upping the neighbors; enough just isn't, too much is better, and obscene consumption is just right. And now how many middle class working Americans are desperately trying to pay off this dream charged to their 28% APR credit cards, home equity loans, 401K loans, those vile 'pay-day' loans and other forms of debt?
One pin prick to this economic bubble and the first Great Depression could seem like a time of plenty.:nuke:
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:34 PM
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19. The upcoming recession is going to have a devastating effect on the GOP -
primarily because they haven't stopped telling us how GREAT things are - funny how FACTS constantly contradict the REPUG agenda.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 01:05 PM
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20. Thank God
:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

Thank God we tightened up on those bankrupcy laws so all these DEADBEATS are no longer able to feed off TAXPAYER MONEY to "get back on their feet".

from now on, America, you buy it, you're gonna pay for it.

Regardless of heath care costs and losing your job.

No more free rides, DEADBEATS!

-85% Jimmy

:sarcasm:
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 02:21 PM
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21. Maybe....
You think maybe this is tied to tax cuts for the rich? Since it's pretty much exactly what was going on in the Reagan/Bush years?

Anybody know what the top tax rates were in the 50's? You know, that period of unparalleled economic boom? When any man with a job could afford a home, a car, and his wife could stay home with the kids? 91%. The top rate was 91% and the economy fucking boomed.

Would the people of America kindly wake the fuck up?
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:00 PM
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23. There's a book
"The Terrible Twos," a satirical parody of the Reagan Administration. The big issue is the widening gap. The author is Ishmael Reed.
Those pushing for a wider gap no not what they wish for. With less money circulating less of what the big money people are selling gets bought.
Most of the suburbs are a quick Interstate ride from the urban centers where poverty breeds desperation. Desperate people do desperate things.
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okoboji Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:32 PM
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25. "With less money circulating less.......
.....of what the big money people are selling gets bought."

This is what I keep telling my stupid ass co-workers and they still don't get it. If the wealthy aren't spending their money because they want to keep it all for themselves, and the rest of us, don't have the money to spend on extras, places like Target, K-Mart, Sears, etc. etc .... start to suffer - they then have to close, which lays off workers, which just makes the whole economic situation even worse.

I hear, but the economy is fine, why are you worrying?
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:34 PM
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27. This is way Edwards is my choice:
John Edwards: A Heart for America

By John Edwards | Wednesday, February 21, 2007

Somewhere in America, an eight-year-old girl goes to sleep hungry, a little girl who ought to be drawing pictures and learning multiplication cries herself to sleep, praying that her father, who has been out of work for two years, will get a job again. It doesn't’t have to be that way.

Somewhere in America, a hotel housekeeper walks a picket line with her union brothers and sisters fighting for decent health care benefits during the day and works the late-shift at a diner at night so that she and her family can live a decent life and so her boy can go to college and have choices she never had.

And somewhere, a young man folds a college acceptance letter and puts it in his drawer because even with his part-time job and his mother’s second job, he knows he cannot afford to go. It doesn't’t have to be that way.

It doesn't have to be this way

~Snip~

Everyone matters

We are Americans, and we’re better than that.

The time for half-measures, empty promises and sweet rhetoric is gone. Now is the time for courage, decisiveness and moral leadership.

It’s time to stand up for the promise of America again — and for the principle that every American matters, no matter where you come from, or what color your skin is, or how much money you have in your pocket.

~Snip~
http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=5967


He's the only one that gets it - I have yet to hear the other candidates address this issue. If they have, they definitely do not possess the passion that Edwards has or the fortitude to address it.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 01:18 PM
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29. You are right about Edwards. Moreover, he is the only...
...candidate who has come out with a specific health care proposal.

"First, what do they propose doing about the health care crisis? All the leading Democratic candidates say they’re for universal care, but only John Edwards has come out with a specific proposal. The others have offered only vague generalities — wonderfully uplifting generalities, in Mr. Obama’s case — with no real substance."


http://select.nytimes.com/2007/02/26/opinion/26krugman.html?hp

"But Mr. Edwards goes two steps further.

People who don’t get insurance from their employers wouldn’t have to deal individually with insurance companies: they’d purchase insurance through “Health Markets”: government-run bodies negotiating with insurance companies on the public’s behalf. People would, in effect, be buying insurance from the government, with only the business of paying medical bills — not the function of granting insurance in the first place — outsourced to private insurers.

Why is this such a good idea? As the Edwards press release points out, marketing and underwriting — the process of screening out high-risk clients — are responsible for two-thirds of insurance companies’ overhead. With insurers selling to government-run Health Markets, not directly to individuals, most of these expenses should go away, making insurance considerably cheaper.

Better still, “Health Markets,” the press release says, “will offer a choice between private insurers and a public insurance plan modeled after Medicare.” This would offer a crucial degree of competition. The public insurance plan would almost certainly be cheaper than anything the private sector offers right now — after all, Medicare has very low overhead. Private insurers would either have to match the public plan’s low premiums, or lose the competition.

And Mr. Edwards is O.K. with that. “Over time,” the press release says, “the system may evolve toward a single-payer approach if individuals and businesses prefer the public plan.”

So this is a smart, serious proposal. It addresses both the problem of the uninsured and the waste and inefficiency of our fragmented insurance system. And every candidate should be pressed to come up with something comparable."


http://select.nytimes.com/2007/02/09/opinion/09krugman.html?pagewanted=print1111

It's certainly closer to a "next-best" solution to a Single-Payer Health Care System (previous post) in a country that settles for "third-fourth-or-fifth best" solutions.
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jkoehler Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:06 PM
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31. Ironic isn't it?
We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of American lives to "bring freedom and democracy" to Iraq, a country of 27 million which also just happens to be sitting on the second largest known reserve of oil, while 16 million of our own people live in "deep or severe poverty". We sure have our priorities straight, don't we? :shrug:
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