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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:38 PM
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Oh, just some magic to share
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:42 PM
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1. Thank you!
:hug:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:52 PM
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2. 'Scuse me, but that's not magic, it's BS
People aren't sick because they think about sickness and people aren't rich because they think about being rich.

Magical thinking like this causes people to blame the sick for being sick (and I can tell you that at 14, I didn't know what rheumatoid arthritis was, I could just tell you I was tired all the time and my joints were red and painful. I didn't think about having a lifelong disease, I didn't want one, and I damned sure don't enjoy having one) and it tends to worship the rich for being rich.

We need less of this stuff, not more of it.

After all, how many of you out there think about hitting the lottery and being rich enough to ditch your job and never have to worry about bowing and scraping to a boss again? How's that working for you?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:02 PM
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4. The "placebo effect" is why there are double-blind trials.
To deny the power of belief - both positive and negative - is just not scientific. :shrug:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:40 PM
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5. The placebo effect is quite real for some people
but as yet it can't be predicted, quantified, or harnessed in any way.

Again, thought itself does not cause serious illness although belief can alleviate some symptoms temporarily.

We don't create the world. It creates us.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:59 PM
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7. Uh-oh. Sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays!
:spank:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:13 PM
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9. Thank you. I hate that crap.
It blames sick people for being sick. It means that cancer patients have cancer because of negative thinking or whatever, and I'm sorry, that's just plain wrong and nasty.

During my ten years of pain, I wasn't in pain because I thought negative thoughts. I was in pain because I had appendicitis that had been missed. Then, when I still had some pain and then some new, odd symptoms, it wasn't because I was sending out the wrong chi or being a magnet for negativity in the cosmos--it was because I had a huge tumor that had obliterated my right kidney.

Telling me that my body grew that tumor because I was sinful or bad or wrong-headed is mean and wrong. It blames me when we should be looking into our environment to see why cancer and other diseases are on the rise. It blames the victim when it's not our fault.

Let's blame those who made us sick instead of blaming the sick people, okay?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:18 AM
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10. Thanks.
Little Merry Sunshine types just don't get it that bad shit happens to perfectly good people for no discernible reason. Blaming the good people for having that bad shit happens to them is just mean and spiteful, even though they try to coat it in as much icky sweet sugar as possible.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:26 AM
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12. That's exactly it--telling good people it's their fault is mean.
I'm sorry, but that kidney tumor wasn't my fault. It had been growing secretly for years, during some really good times in my life and during some dark times. How in the heck was that tumor my fault?
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:32 AM
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11. "We need less of this stuff, not more of it."
Ah yes, the power of negative thinking.

The fact is, people DO create their own reality. This concept has more to do with improving ones outlook and as a consequence how one perceives life than it does with whether or not someone gets Arthritis or Cancer.

If a person is convinced the world is out to get them then IT IS! If a person is convinced that they can improve, how ever they qualify that, then they do improve.

I find it amusing that you speak about "hitting the lottery" when you remind this board on a regular basis that you "inherited" and you live off of the dividends and interest of that incredibly good fortune.

How's that working for you?
Yes. Quite.

Different things work for different people but one thing is for sure; If you are convinced you are a failure or that there is no solution to your difficulties THEN YOU ARE OR THERE ISN'T.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:32 AM
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13. You do realize what that theory says, though, right?
It doesn't say that someone needs to be positive, even when dealing with cancer or other bad health--it says that negative thinking caused the cancer or other bad health. If negative thinking causes negative energy to flock to your aura or whatever and negative thinking makes the universe do negative things to you, then your negative thinking caused your cancer or whatever. That's what the theory says.

Blaming the victim for the bad health problem is just plain mean and nasty. Blaming the victim rather than the causes makes it so the rest of society gets off scot free. Cancer's caused by carcinogens in the environment, more and more studies say, but let's not go after those who are poisoning our people. Let's just blame the victim instead and tell her that she should've been more positive or her breast cancer wouldn't have grown.

So, when I had that huge tumor that had obliterated my right kidney and was just one step away from becoming cancer, it was because I didn't think positively enough for the 8-10 years it was growing inside me? Whatever. :eyes:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:57 PM
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3. Linking this to the forum we discuss it in regularly..
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:50 PM
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6. "Magnetic energy"? NT
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:54 PM
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8. Thank you, bonito.
:)

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:57 PM
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15. No, thank you...
Just like surfing life is learning how to be as one with the waves.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:25 PM
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14. If we take Rhonda Byrne's "The Secret" to heart...
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:26 PM by salvorhardin
If we take Rhonda Byrne's "The Secret" to heart then the reason the war in Iraq is going so badly is because all of us liberals and progressives are thinking such negative thoughts about it. Oh, and I suppose all those people who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center towers were attracting the hijacked planes to the towers with their negative energy. They really wanted to die!

Oh please, The Secret is the same codswill as Social Darwinism and the worst of the Calvinist religions all gussied up in new-agey wrappings.

More to the point, Rhonda Byrne actively promotes discrimination against people who aren't her "ideal". Here she is saying to shun fat people:
Make it your intention to look for, admire, and inwardly praise people with your idea of perfect-weight bodies. Seek them out and as you admire them and feel the feelings of that-you are summoning it to you. If you see people who are overweight, do not observe them, but immediately switch your mind to the picture of you in your perfect body and feel it.


But the real, and quite dangerous, secret to The Secret is its call to passivity. What Rhonda Byrne is really telling us is that hard work, education, volunteerism, anything that actually involves getting out and doing something is unnecessary. Troubled over the situation in the Middle East? Dismayed over the rate of poverty? Disheartened at the palpable ignorance rampant in our country? No need to do anything about it. Just sit back and think happy thoughts.

Oh, and I suppose, if you're Rhonda Byrne, laugh at all the suckers whilst watching your bank balance skyrocket.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:04 PM
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16. jebus, another 2 minutes down the fucking toilet
:grr: :eyes:
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