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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:42 AM
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SCALIA Sides With BUSHCO: "Some torture may not be "cruel and unusual punishment"
Last Updated: Tuesday, 12 February 2008, 04:02 GMT

US judge steps in to torture row

"Some torture may not be "cruel and unusual punishment", says Scalia
The most outspoken judge on the US Supreme Court has defended the use of some physical interrogation techniques.

Justice Antonin Scalia told the BBC that "smacking someone in the face" could be justified if there was an imminent threat.

"You can't come in smugly and with great self satisfaction and say 'Oh it's torture, and therefore it's no good'," he said in a rare interview.

He also accused Europe of being self-righteous over the death penalty.

more at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7239748.stm
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:44 AM
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1. He's right
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 08:45 AM by C_U_L8R
WIth the Bush administration torture has become pretty USUAL
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:45 AM
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2. I hate this MFer! Have Blackwater waterboard his mother & see if he thinks it's torture. -eom
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:50 AM
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7. Mukasey too.
all those who say it isn't torture may be should subjected to it.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:45 AM
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3. Holty shit.
A fucking Justice said that!? We're screwn.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:45 AM
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4. Sheer Ignorance/Arrogance keeps him from STFU....what a waste of public funds
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:47 AM
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5. Scalia one of *'s thugs.
TORTURE is illegal when will they get it? Or maybe when it's practiced on our soldiers all hell will break loose.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:48 AM
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6. I cannot help but think
That minus two or three fingernails, and once drowned and revived,
that Tony might see it a more traditionally American way.

Torture does not work, Tony.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:50 AM
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8. WTF?
"If you took a public opinion poll, if all of Europe had representative democracies that really worked, most of Europe would probably have the death penalty today.

"There are arguments for it and against it. But to get self-righteous about the thing as Europeans tend to do about the American death penalty is really quite ridiculous."

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Has Scalia seen the public opinion polls on impeaching Bush and Cheney in his own representative democracy?

Scalia is a public embarrassment.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:52 AM
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9. Impeaching and removing this asshole needs to be top priority..
if the Dems gain full control next year.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:54 AM
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10. Other things Scalia said:
"Torquemada had it right..."

"Nothing says 'I love you' like thumbscrews."

"I think Iron Maiden is great. I have one in my basement."

"Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS had it right..."

"All my cats have nine tails."

"There's no good reason why the right kind of person shouldn't be relieved of their fingernails."

"You want cruel and unusual? Clay Aiken's latest album... That was torture!"
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:56 AM
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11. So is he defining torture as "smacking someone in the face"?
If so, then waterboarding far surpasses that and by stating that smacking someone in the face is torture, he is saying that waterboarding is also torture in a more extreme form.

Thus, contrary to statements that have been presented by prior administration toadies, waterboarding is torture, and is illegal under US Law, the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions, and all forms of law which the US is bound by.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:57 AM
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12. Hell, I have FELT tortured since Nov. of 2000!
Criminals in charge of the country and so few seem inclined to do anything about it.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:58 AM
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13. We should take Scalia's comments to heart
And remember them when he and the rest of the Junta are arrested and charged with threason and crimes against humanity.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 09:22 AM
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14. Here's a preety good discription of Fat Tony
faccia di stronzo f. a very despicable person, a bastard, a son of a bitch; (lit.): turd head.

http://italian.about.com/library/slang/bladultslangindex.htm
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 09:40 AM
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15. hey scalia, how about we use some of that on your family members...huh?
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 10:24 AM
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16.  ... the USUAL torture ... nt
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:13 AM
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17. So tell me, Justice Opus Dei, whom would Jesus torture?
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 11:16 AM by Raster
""You can't come in smugly and with great self satisfaction and say 'Oh it's torture, and therefore it's no good'," he said in a rare interview.

He also accused Europe of being self-righteous over the death penalty."

I'm betting the Scalia family reunions resemble something out of the Spanish Inquisition meets the Godfather...
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:17 AM
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18. just heard this interview on npr
i couldn't listen long.
also went on about a long time in prison might be cruel and unusual punishment as a sentence for someone found guilty of a crime, but judges send witnesses to prison until they give up their information ALL THE TIME.
and how the united states constitution doesn't apply everywhere.
omg.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:19 AM
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19. It's only natural, the man doesn't believe in democracy or counting the votes so
torture would be a logical progression to such a mentality.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:28 AM
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20. "Some torture may not be "cruel and unusual punishment", says Scalia
What pray tell is the definition of "Torture"? I suspect cruel is in there somewhere...
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DiamondJay Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:12 PM
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21. we should torture Antonin, see how he likes it
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:19 PM
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22. OK, Big Tony.....get set to get waterboarded!
If you think some kinds of torture are OK...I have a great idea. Let's think of all the things that BushCo has done to people ~~ in the name of "terra" ~~ and let's try them out on you so that you can PERSONALLY speak to the issue of what is and what is not torture. I say start with waterboarding and then let's make a pile of naked, shit covered people with you on the bottom.

Anyone else have any methods they think that Big Tony should PERONALLY investigate?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:15 PM
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23. "some animals are more equal than others" nt
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:28 PM
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24. Wow....and this thug sits on the Supreme Court....
:eek:

I knew he was fucked in the head, I wasn't aware that he was completely detached from reality...
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:41 PM
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25. This man is evil.
There is no other way to put it.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:43 PM
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26. And was there any doubt that the evil bastard wouldn't?
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:33 PM
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27. what a compassionate conservative . . . where I come from, they're known as assholes . . . n/t
.
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