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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:20 AM
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Bush: "And these telephone companies…. Are afraid they’re going to be sued."

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/air_force_one_warms_up_bushhil.html#more

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The president summoned Republican leaders of Congress to the White House this morning to see what can be done before his scheduled departure this evening for a six-day trip through Africa, his second as president. Nothing really: the House and Senate are leaving town for a 12-day recesss. So Bush, too, will leave for Africa. For Bush, Africa represents the one continent where his administration can tout some real progress in American foreign relations, with the U.S. lending great assistance in wars against disease and poverty.

"The Senate passed a good bipartisan bill that makes sure our intelligence community has the tools necessary to protect Americans from this real threat,'' Bush said this morning in the Oval Office. "This bill comes to the House of Representatives and it was blocked, and by blocking this piece of legislation our country is more threatened by attack… Intelligence officials won’t have the tools necessary to get as much attention as we possibly can to protect you…. And these telephone companies…. Are afraid they’re going to be sued.

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“The lives of countless Americans depend on our ability to monitor terrorist communications,’’ he said. “Our intelligence professionals are working day and night to keep us safe, and they're waiting to see whether Congress will give them the tools they need to succeed or tie their hands by failing to act. The American people are watching this debate, as well. They expect Congress to meet its responsibilities before they leave town on a recess.

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“Who's to blame? Look, these folks in Congress passed a good bill last -- late last summer. In other words, they analyzed the situation, they said there's a threat, and they agreed to give our professionals the tools they needed to do the job. The problem is they let the bill expire. My attitude is, if the bill was good enough then, why not pass the bill again? I mean, the threat hasn't gone away.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:20 AM
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1. that's because you, junior, are requesting that they BREAK THE LAW
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:26 AM
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Make that a done deal in the past tanse. Bush and the telecoms broke the law!
And, US funds were paid to the telecoms to do so. Give us our money back too!

The US Taxpayer should sue too! on account of the illegal payment of funds to finance illegal conduct.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:22 AM
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2. Go fuck yourself George Bush!
just borrowing Cheney's words. :D
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:25 AM
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3. And the problem with that is...?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:26 AM
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7. "our professionals won't get the tools they need"
:puke:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:25 AM
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4. And if they followed your advice, dumbass...
They should be sued!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:25 AM
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5. *Bush* is afraid the phone companies are going to be sued.
I'd bet he's more afraid of that than the phone companies themselves. If there are lawsuits there will be discovery. And in the course of discovery a whole lot would learned about just what it was that Bush had the phone companies do. Bush doesn't want us to know the extent to which he got the telecoms to eavesdrop on everybody. The phone companies could pay up some money to settle the lawsuits (they won't like it but they won't go broke), but it's the exposure of Bush and Cheney and the rest of those thugs to criminal culpability that's got the little cowboy soiling his Underoos over this situation.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:59 AM
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11. Bush afraid of telecom testimony = great analysis. It is all about the cover up
of crimes.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:25 AM
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6. well, if they didn't do anything then they have nothing to fear....
by pushing immunity - especially retro-active immunity, for the telecoms, bush has unwittingly, implied that the telecoms were doing something wrong and illegal

why give immunity to someone who did nothing wrong or illegal?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:36 AM
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8. Isn't that why they were snooping in the first place?
After all, all of us good, law-abiding private citizens who haven't done anything wrong surely have nothing to hide. Same with the telcos, isn't it? Or has Bush executive ordered the "goose and gander" principle out of existence, too, just like he did with habeas corpus, the Fourth Amendment and the Sixth Amendment?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:15 PM
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9. so are they really patriots if they refused to assist without immunity?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:04 PM
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10. Remember, Bush said (about soldiers at the time) "No longer will anyone be able to hide behind
'I was just following orders.'"

Of course, that means that he hung the US military out to dry for doing what he ordered ...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:05 AM
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12. ................
boofuckingboo.....to you to *. Not getting your way huh? too bad.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:42 AM
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13. EFF: No Immunity for Unknown Unknowns - by Kurt Opsahl
No Immunity for Unknown Unknowns
Posted by Kurt Opsahl - http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/02/no-immunity-unknown-unknowns

Today, Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell admitted that corporate complicity in legally dubious activities far exceeds what's already publicly known:

The Associated Press reports:

Already, (DNI McConnell) says the roughly 40 lawsuits filed against telecom companies nationwide have chilled the private sector's willingness to help the intelligence agencies in ways unrelated to electronic surveillance. Exactly how is classified, and he won't elaborate.


This points to one of the most troubling flaws in the Administration's preferred bill: It offers a broad immunity designed to dismiss all lawsuits filed "in connection with an intelligence activity involving communications." McConnell's revelation shows that the Administration is trying to sweep under the rug not only the pending lawsuits, but also whatever other illegal programs the Adminstration has perpetrated.

This amounts to asking Congress to forgive unknown unknowns — crimes that haven't even been revealed yet. .....
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