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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:50 PM
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Self-Extinguishing Cigarettes? I Feel So Much Safer Now That I'm Surrounded By Them In Illinois
forget the fact that apparently the fire and ash drops off them more easily, burning clothes, carpets, couch, and car as people drive. i feel safer--and feeling safer is what is really important.

ah, safer.

safer like the way george bush makes me feel when he says he's protecting me. yes, george bush reminds me of a tampon or a maxi-pad that gives me a lot of protection. and that makes me feel safer....

safer...safer....

why, i could light one hundred cigarettes all around my house and just...go out shopping! and i would still feel safe. i could be halfway to the mall and then wonder: "did i forget to put those 100 cigarettes out? oh well. it's okay. they'll go out on their own."

safer....safer.....

and happy too! now when i walk into the mall i won't have to pass through a cloud of smoke created by five or ten smokers standing out in the cold, because i will know their cigarettes have all self-extinguished and the smokers have all gone back inside.

safer...and cleaner too!

canada has them. new york. california.

safer...safer...

what do you mean "not completely safe?"

"Smoking ruled as cause of fatal fire"
"Even the presence of fire-safe cigarettes – a new law in Illinois requires unattended cigarettes to burn out – is an edge toward safety, not a guarantee
"“That legislation does not make it impossible for a fire-safe cigarette to start a fire,” Cluchey said. “No legislation in the world is going to guard against human error.”
http://www.kcchronicle.com/articles/2008/01/18/news/local/doc4790879d474c9370527912.txt

oh shit! get out of my way! i've got to turn this car around and get back home so i can put out my 100 cigarettes!!

does anyone have an extra cigarette? i left all of mine at home.

:smoke:


State Law Requires Self-Extinguishing Cigarettes
Law Kicks In In January

POSTED: 11:05 am CDT August 13, 2007
UPDATED: 12:29 pm CDT August 13, 2007

CHICAGO -- Starting next year, cigarettes sold in Illinois must be manufactured in a way that makes them more likely to go out if a smoker stops puffing on them.

Supporters of the new state law that will require retailers to sell self-extinguishing cigarettes say the thinking behind it is simple: Unattended cigarettes that can douse themselves are less likely to cause fires, so lives will be saved.

The Illinois General Assembly and Gov. Rod Blagojevich approved the measure in 2006. They delayed its effective date to Jan. 1, 2008, in part to give manufacturers enough time to gear up, according to Rep. Donald Moffitt (R-Gilson), one of the main legislative supporters of the plan.

The new law, while "an outstanding idea," is not yet well known among the general public, Moffitt said, citing the delayed implementation date as a likely reason.

"It's kind of like it was so far off in the future when it was passed that people didn't think about it," he said.

Tobacco manufacturers say they're ready to comply with the new Illinois law, as they have in other states with similar laws. But the manufacturers aren't necessarily supportive of such laws.

Philip Morris USA spokesman David Sylvia said that company has no objections, as long as individual state laws are in line with New York's law, which was the first in the nation.

David Howard, spokesman for R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., had a different take.

"We have opposed legislation that has been considered, bottom line, because we feel that there are probably more effective ways to go about addressing the issue," he said, citing smoke detectors and flame-retardant fabrics as other ways to reduce the incidence of fires caused by smoking materials.

The self-extinguishing cigarettes also are sometimes referred to as "low-ignition" or "firesafe" -- a term that not everyone likes because it might encourage carelessness.

"They are not fire safe," Howard said. "They're still lit. They're still ignited, and they still burn when used."

The tobacco company spokesmen said smokers should not notice a difference in taste with the self-extinguishing cigarettes.

"The blend, the tobacco is not changed at all," Howard said.

Whether the new law will cause the price of cigarettes to rise in Illinois remains to be seen.

Evans thinks a pack or carton of cigarettes will become more expensive. The manufacturers said they don't expect that to happen.

"These cigarettes do cost more to manufacture because of the paper, but that is not a cost we have passed on to consumers," Howard said.

Sylvia said Philip Morris USA doesn't set the price at retail, but the cost to wholesalers is not affected.

John Fennell, chief legal counsel for the state fire marshal's office, a key backer of the new law, said he wasn't sure whether low-ignition cigarettes would be more costly. But he pointed out that Illinois lawmakers have been talking about raising the cigarette tax, which would hit smokers in the wallet anyway.

Both tobacco company spokesmen said their companies would work with wholesalers and retailers to ensure compliance with Illinois' new law.

Anyone who knowingly sells cigarettes that don't comply with the law next year could face civil penalties of $500 or more.

Fennell noted that sellers of cigarettes will be given time to get rid of their existing supply before they must start selling self-extinguishing cigarettes.

"How long that's going to take is anybody's guess," he said.

What is a low-ignition cigarette?

Typically, what makes these cigarettes different is the paper. At least two bands of special paper are applied on top of the traditional cigarette paper that wraps the tobacco. These bands, sometimes also called "rings," are akin to roadway "speed bumps" because they slow down the speed at which a cigarette burns. If such a cigarette is left unattended, it will be more likely to self-extinguish than other cigarettes.
http://www.nbc5.com/politics/13879624/detail.html?dl=headlineclick



anyone in favor of self-evaporating alcohol?

two minutes and your drink is gone--no matter what.

i think that would make me feel a lot safer too--

why, if we do that with cigarettes AND alcohol i think i would feel as much protection as if i were wearing a george bush maxi-pad 24/7! and believe me, that's a pretty safe feeling.

:rant:

ok--sorry--go ahead and kill me. (i know i'm going to get flamed on so many levels for this--but i just read about it and it really irked me)
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:57 PM
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1. If you get flamed, you deserve every scorch mark.
For planting in my mind the image of a 24/7 George Bush Maxi-Pad.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:11 PM
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2. There's already a brand that does that.
If they're still around, that is. I quit in 1996. I smoked the MORE brand for that very reason. They were (are?), long, skinny, dark brown cigarettes that would go out if left alone. I liked them for that reason and figured they saved me money by not burning up in the ash tray.

I don't know if the paper was treated or if the cigarettes were wrapped more tightly than most, but 99% of the time they'd go out if not actively smoked.

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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:18 PM
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4. American Spirit do that, too
They have something like 20 percent more tobacco (with no chemical additives), so I guess there's less oxygen inside the tube, or... something... :shrug:



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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:09 PM
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3. Why don't they just remove the saltpeter they added to ensure...
...that cigarettes left in the ashtray burned all the way down. The idea being that the smoker would light up a fresh cigarette that much sooner.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:32 AM
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5. What exactly are you opposing here?
fewer accidental fires, lower insurance rates, etc, more efficient use of an already purchased tobacco product, etc.

The only people that stand to lose anything are those invested in tobacco stocks.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:48 AM
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6. i guess i feel the gop has tried to crawl so far up our asses
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 02:49 AM by orleans
that even shit like this is getting to me

(maybe we should get rid of lighters and matches and just send teams from halliburton out to light cigarettes for people, start their fires in the fireplace--oh forget the fireplace--that's way too hazardous, turn on their stoves, oversee irons, hot plates, blow dryers, hair crimpers, etc)

--all the bullshit about fisa lately

"Good morning. At this moment somewhere in the world terrorists are planning new attacks on our country. Their goal is to bring destruction to our shores that will make September 11th pale by comparison. "

i haven't been the same since i heard that the other day.

i laughed loud and long when i saw that freak say that on tv...but i'm just sick of it. i'm sick to death of all this bullshit. and when i came across that self-destructing cigarette (or whatever the hell it is) it was the last straw for me tonight.

sorry--sometimes i draw crazy connections between things.

i'll talk to you later. i gotta go call george bush and tell him i need him to come over and wipe my ass now.

:hi:

p.s. isn't it great all the different ways our government is protecting us...from ourselves?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:26 AM
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7. My roommate likes them, they save him money..
He's the type that'll lay it in the ashtray and forget about it while it burns away.

I get past them by rolling my own. :)
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