Imminent Destruction of the GOP, Part II

If current trends hold, we are looking at the complete dismemberment and destruction of the Republican Party in November. Their nominee is unpalatable to their core constituents, many of whom are likely to not vote in the coming general election. That should sink John McCain in historic fashion. And it shoould put the Congress firmly in control of our party.

But then what? The GOP brand isn't going away. All they will need is another GW Bush to rebuild it. All they need is a phony issue or two to rally around next time. Gay marriage. Taxes. Guns.

The real question is will President Obama ever wage open war against the GOP brand, or will he persist in this dream of bringing everyone together?

The GOP brand is what needs to be destroyed. Completely. It doesn't seem that Obama is interested in offending anyone at the moment. But he's obviously not a chump. And he ain't dumb. At some point, he's going to have to face the fact that these devils have turned a few complete falsehoods into common wisdom. If he doesn't actively and openly work to reverse that, I fear he will have wasted a very important opportunity. And we will pay for it for many decades to come.

Bryant
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The Corporatists and the Progressives share the Democratic Party. The pukes are all Corporatists. The ideal scenario is that the gop will die forever, and the new two party system will align with a Democratic Party and a viable Progressive Party. Super ideal would be a viable Third or Fourth Party as well to force coalitions and stronger deals.

and progressives are pie in the sky people who favor some other economic system?

Doesn't seem like a fair fight.

At any rate anybody who thinks Republicans are going anywhere is pretty wrong.

Bryant

Corporatists work for the interest of the Corporations, above that of the individual. Progressives work for the People. Progressives are still Capitalists, they just favor a healthy, regulated Capitalist system. They favor laws that prevent Corporations from getting too big and too powerful, as they are now.

The Corporatist allow the Corporations to write their own laws. They are owned and beholden to the big businesses. Progressives are beholden to the People, and write the laws for their protection and improvement.

Corporatist are "Unfettered Free Market" capitalist, no regulations, no accountability.

Progressives are not anti-capitalist. The are Populists, within a well regulated Capitalist economy.

The pukes are dying. I just don't know ho long it will take for them to go. What will happen, most likely, is the name will stay, but they will change. The Neo-conservatism pukes are no longer a winnable brand.

But liberalism didn't.

Bryant
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One doesn't equate to the other.

you are reconciled to the fact that parties with "illegitimate" platforms will arise?

Bryant

In a perfect world, we'd have a lot of parties, and they'd all have real platforms with real differences for voters to choose from. But how could we avoid having a few rotten apples? I don't think we can. But we can still hope.

A majority of the people in this country (52%) now believe gays should have civil unions. Perhaps we don't need to do anything, the robototons may do it all themselves. *'s overall rating was 19% the other day, perhaps the welcome mat is being pulled.

The so-called "gay agenda" is still playing very well on RW television and RW radio. But the opposing view is still only whispered. So it ain't over yet.

That's what I look forward to if we're successful in gaining control of Congress and the executive branch. If we can actually accomplish our agenda -- get us out of Iraq, lower the cost of medicine, get more people covered by health insurance that costs less and plays fair with their coverage, restore habeas corpus, close Gitmo, etc. -- that's going be the biggest attack on the GOP brand there is.

Despite the historic successes of the Cinton Boom, people at one point still rated GW Bush better than Clinton on the economy. That's shocking. For all his successes, Bill Clinton never bothered to make a strong case for why Reaganism is utterly stupid and must never be tried again. Maybe he though it wasn't necessary. Well it was.

I don't want to see the GOP brand weakened. I want to see it permanently put to rest. Its fine to have a conservative party. Its not fine to have a fear-and-bullshit party.

Fearmongering, gaymongering, distracting from the real issues, divisiveness as a national sport. This is what he seeks to end and he talks about it all the time.

Obama will achieve everything you want him to when it comes to dismantling the GOP, and the opposition doesn't even know what's coming (and neither do you, apparently). He's on the attack, but his negatives stay low beause he isn't falling into the rhetorical traps that have never done anything for us in the past. He goes after Rove-style politics, not the Republican Party, and, as a result, he's getting them to vote for him. He's offering them a dignified way out from the hell they know the Limbaugh Wing has created for them. Obama knows what he's doing.

McCain is mouthing all of Hilary's ineffective lines about experience and empty rhetoric and the talk radio echo chamber is chanting "librulll, librulll." Not gonna work, because they don't deal with the heart of what Obama is saying: the country faces big problems, and enough people want to deal with them honestly and openly to finally push the polarizers of the past to the margins of our national political life.

The things you are talking about are temporary tactical matters. If the GOP comes up with an Obama-like candidate in 2012, they wil be right back in the game. With the same bullshit ideas, which will have been left intact.

Supply-side econimics needs to be put to rest. Hatred of the UN needs to be put to rest. Excessive militarism needs to be put to rest. "Law and order" politics needs to be put to rest. Etc.

Hey, I hope I'm right, too, but the truth probably lies in between my optimism and your pessimism. I do think Obama, by virtue of who he is, what he has always stood for and his ability to communicate, has a real chance to change the tone of the public conversation in our country and re-civilize our politics, right down to the policies you enumerate. If he does, and enough people learn to like it, the old GOP attack-dog politics won't take him down.

The GOP is not going to completely go away, no matter how hard we want it to. Trying to destroy it completely will only bring the nutbags together, rallying around whatever they rally around. It will be the "liberal" trying to get them, and Limbaugh will play it for all it's worth. We have to marginalize them to the max, and make their ideas looks as nutty as they really are.

It looks to me like its too late for that. Its their ideas the piss me off. That's what we need to worry about.

A friend recently told me of church gatherings (black churches) designed to support the invasion of Iraq. That's pathetic and embarrassing. Jesus does not support Shock and Awe.

Opposition is fine. Waterboarding is not.

:shrug:

Just like the Democratic Party.

The difference is that while the Democrats have, to one degree or another, always been united by several common interests - the Republicans are united by one thing only: the promise of power. George Bush has taken that away from them.

I'm sorry, but as much of a Democrat that I am. I no more trust a one-party system then I do a Single world power.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Look how dominate the Dem party politicos are right now. And you want more of that?

The phrase "government should be afraid of the people" goes both ways. If we become the government, we will need an opposition party to keep us on our toes.

So, though I will buy into a good solid thrashing of the GOP, I do not, by any means want them down and out. Down with monarchy and tyranny by the wealthy.

their all out hate of gays and undocumented immigrants will separate them from the mainstream and shrink it further. The GOP base will eventually splinter off and the Party will rebuild without the influence of the divisive far right. The result is more of a coalition for of governing. You will see more bi-partisian work that is actually progressive and effective.

Obama in the White House on a popular mandate will force the GOP become less combative and to shed the radical religious empty conservatives. The far right conservatives will lose seats in senate and house but will be replaced with less combative, less obstructionist lawmakers.

Obama knows that the real problems in the nation stem from the far right conservatives that are basically ignorant, selfish and hatefully mean.

That is a very hopeful statement. One that I would buy into. But I seriously caution you to be realistic. History has very few clearly delineated moments of sudden Populist, progressive change. Most of the time it has meant a lot of consistent struggle over generations.

Finally, remember that it is not the GOP we have to fear, but the corporatists and ruling elite who are clever enough to align themselves wherever the wind is blowing.

These devils haven't left themselves any room for compromise. At least not as far as I can see.

is to reach out to those who have absolutely no hope of putting the GOP machine back together. Those would be moderate old warhorses, cut out and left to die by the RW and Bush machinery. Also mavericks unpalatable and at odds with that machinery. Genuinely honest and new GOP talent who are too rare and out of the mold to ever rebuild the old machinery. In other words bi-partisanship with the fragments of a GOP more resembling the breakaway Republican populists of old than the money or moral righteousness elites. keeping them alive will atually weaken the GOP power base while that base will corrupt and ruin anything new.

In one case they would be incapable of formulating any national machine or strategy. In the other they would have to purge the current GOP entrenchments. Both seem very unlikely. Both are dirtily protected by more ruthless entities. They have to deal away their souls for power even to get close to the locked doors.

The inertia and entrenchment would suggest a need to watchdog someone like Hagel from bridging the gap and cobbling together the cheating, crooked remnants into a "new" model. The splintered groups are pretty ugly and toothless(Gingrich) but can only do harm in fighting the Bush dynasty for meaningless insider advantage. More watchdogging of the old names, the Bush dynasty, from simply intriguing and gaming their way back in. That will always 8involve the destruction of everyone and everything better than they are in their way. The ONLY defense against that inevitable poison is to relentlessly(even if imperfect it must be RELENTLESS) holding them to account and exposure. Going after their crimes and their names piece by piece is the least that must be done to keep away recidivism. Getting their elitist allies used to regulation, accountability and participation in a truly civil society is also necessary. The same caveats should apply to them as well and the age of the mega CEO and monopoly be taken down, piece by piece.

It seems the tipping point is when looks back at the hard climb and sees that no matter how smart and powerful the responsible Dem machinery was it takes almost a god to hold the advantages while for the crooks any entitled schmo can be inserted is making Obama appear correct. It took a faded movie star charm(Reagan) to head all the brand and trickery for the GOP. They will need more than another one if ALL they have left is truculent hate radio and big money, skulking and bleeding in its incompetent failures. it is inevitable for those in power to forget these swings so the most concentration should be applied to keeping at the crimes, the crooks and the rationale they seek as an avenue back to power.

Democratic party. We do not need to try the same thing in reverse. I wish the country could come together. I wish right wing hate radio had no more purpose on earth.

This country is diversified. Many different opinions. We should come together when we can for the common good. At least a majority of us. There will always be those selfish people like freepers but they will be vastly out numbered and of little consequence.