Oliver North- American patriot, or lying, terrorist supporting scumbag?

Funny how the right wing Republicans feel Bill Clinton deserved to be put through impeachment proceedings because he 'lied to congress'
(About a blowjob btw). Some right wingers argue it wasn't the blowjob, but rather the lying to congress that was the unforgiveable crime...

Okay....Then why do these same right wing vermin deify Oliver North? He lied to congress- didn't he essentially give aid to terrorists?
Yet he is their big hero....

Then of course GW Bush lied to everyone- the House, Senate and the American people-but the right wing Republicans have no problem with Bush's lies that led us into war- they can only obsess over Clinton lying about a blowjob....

Someone please explain the logic here- particulalry why a scumbag like Oliver North is regarded as a hero by the radical right.

a wall for the things he did.

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OF THEM :hi:

It does not matter to RWingers what the means are. Oliver North violated the US Constitution
on the behest of the Raygun Regime in order to stop Communism to take hold in Central America.That makes him a hero.

What the right sees in him is beyond me. They treat him like he's actually a person to be looked up to.

Jane Fonda.

'nuff said

I guess they wanted to close that "I didn't know it was against the Constitution" loophole.

The right wing does not operate under the pretenses of logic or common sense. They love to cheat, steal and lie and they love to help each other do it. It's "do as I say, not as I do."

Number one and this is most important, the right loves Ollie because he got away with it. Not only did he get away with it, he got a book deal, a radio show, frequent spots on TV and a hefty speakers fee. Number two, you have to remember that many members of the right wing were making a fortune off the arms sales, the drug running and the funding of the Contras. Never mind that we were selling weapons to Iran, to aid Saddam in his war with them, while supplying weapons to our buddy Saddam at the same time. It's pretty easy to see why Ollie is a hero to them, he subverted the Constitution, committed treason, lied before congress, and managed to get rich off of his crimes. What's not to like...


BTW a friendly piece of advice, when you post use the spell check before putting your post up. With your low post count, bad spelling and choice of subjects you may be accused of being a troll....

the scumbag knew it too. Remember how smug he was during those hearings. Nobody could or ever will touch him.

years as head of the CIA gave him dirt on more people than he needed to help keep him and his crony's out of any real trouble.

before he fell in with the BFEE. She said he was really quite normal, except extremely full of himself. He'll burn in hell with the rest of them.

Walldude wrote

"BTW a friendly piece of advice, when you post use the spell check before putting your post up. With your low post count, bad spelling and choice of subjects you may be accused of being a troll...."


I am mildly dyslexic, so if I had typos slip by, my apologies, Ill do better on my spellcheck next time. It's a bit embarassing to post a thread, only later discover it was marred by typos...
I am new here, hence my low post count- and if my choice of subjects are unpopular, my apologies...Im hardly a troll...
Thanks for the feedback though, i do appreciate it..

but understandably people here are a little on edge right now.

Welcome to DU, if I haven't already, I'm enjoying your posts!..:yourock:

and he should be in jail. why can ppl who kill individuals not make money off their crimes but North, who helped to murder nuns, priests, children, women of all stripes by supporting out and out fascists et al get to be on teevee.

he is a sign that this nation is seriously fucked up.

Rev. Moon also paid money for right wing totalitarian murderers in Central Am. If that's a republican's idea of promoting democracy, too bad they didn't get thrown out of airplanes while still alive like the students in Chile and Argentina. Republicans are scum.

PBS Bill Moyers: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430

Ollie North was seen as someone who lied to congress for a worthy cause (battling the commies, remember that the soviets were big enemies back in the day).

People were pulling for Ollie, just like others in the 90's were pulling for Bill (who lied under oath).

Both lied, some just see Ollie as having lied for a bigger cause (relating to battling a big enemy) while Bill lied to protect just himself.

Not saying it is right, but from someone who remembers those times I can see why people liked Ollie, just like I can see why people liked Bill.

We all expect politicians to lie, it is the reason they lie that makes a difference.

Back in the day, we saw Ollie as lying (and we all knew he was lying) as being a good thing because we saw his lies as a defense against the communists and putting it to the congress who would not listen to reason (and I have actually planned for a few days to post about this very thing, although relating more to Reagan than North - Maybe I will shortly to complement this post).

To summarize the view of so many - all politicians lie, some lie to protect the country, some to protect themselves. People saw Ollie as the former and Bill as the latter.

Right or wrong, image means a lot in politics...Sad but true.

North subverted the will of the Congress and the will of the People because he(and St. Ronnie) "knew better"...they did it for our own good. Then he lied about it so he wouldn't have to pay the penalty. He "believed" in his cause, but not enough to admit to it. Remember Fawn Hall and the paper shredders in the basement? Clinton had an extramarital tryst that he lied about for obvious reasons--a tryst that should never have been revealed except for a ridiculous court ruling that allowed a civil lawsuit to proceed against a sitting President. Remember way back when a court could rule against the executive and that ruling actually had consequences?

So North was guilty of high crimes. He was no patriot. Thinking does not make it so. Many of those who were not in thrall of St. Ronnie saw him for the traitor that he was. That he has not only avoided paying for his crimes, but has in fact profited from them is obscene. And make no mistake, he didn't lie for any higher reason that to protect his own ass. How his actions can in any way be compared to Clinton's escapes me.

And that was kind of my point.

It may make no sense to us at this juncture, but at one time - to many people I knew, he was lying for all the right reasons.

I wasn't in the know at the time myself, was too busy with being a teen to care much (though I do remember it on TV and watched some of it).

The view from these same people was that clinton lied for himself, and that ollie lied for others (and a decent cause as they saw it). One was the fall guy, and one was at the top and doing the lying themselves.

I guess you have to ask - which one is more guilty? Both were. Do the reasons matter? It appears they did to some.

Ollie and Clinton are still out there making money. If it had been you or I lying, we would be in deep shit. :)

they knew better than those Defeat-O-crats in Congress. And, a lot of people looked at North as the fall guy for the higher-ups, and they admired him for that as well.

He sold WEAPONS to IRAN, a nation our government told us was terrorist, in order to fund right wing death squads in Central America- people who were notorious at the time for killing nuns and anyone else they felt like.

I was not a radical or even especially liberal at the time, and I was growing up in El Paso, TX. There were some people around me who saw him as a hero, but there were plenty more who saw him as a scumbag.

Raygun wasn't especially popular in my town either. I thought the whole lot of them deserved to do time, and I never believed that Raygun "didn't recall".

NT

And Fawn Hall was hired for her typing skills.

My evidence:

Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2396787

Cause I doubt many of us think that Ollie North is a hero. Personally, I think he should be rotting away in prison.

should be in Fed. prison

Given that he aided an abetted terrorists.
I wonder how many civilians died because of North's actions?

their funding through drugrunning and armsdealing and nuclear proliferation networks when he uncovered and exposed IranContra and BCCI?

Sorry...Jello Biafra flashback. :)