Response to gallup: Evangelicals DO hate our freedoms.

They hate our freedom to choose our sexual partner freely.
They hate our freedom to have children when we want to.
They hate our freedom to embrace other cultures and religions.
They hate our freedom of not being afraid of punishment.
They hate our freedom to embrace the facts of nature as facts.
They hate our freedom to be redeemed by the law.
They hate our freedom of voting for who we want to and not who we are told to vote for.
They hate our freedom of doing what we think is right, not what we are told is right.

tithe or not.

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Red-Letter Christian
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Red-Letter Christians believe that Evangelicalism has been exploited by both right-wing and left-wing political movements, and they endeavor to create an Evangelical movement that focuses on the teachings of Jesus Christ, particularly in regard to social issues. "Red-Letter" refers to New Testament verses printed in red letters to emphasize the actual words that Jesus spoke without the use of quotations (see Red letter edition). This movement was initiated by authors Tony Campolo and Jim Wallis who felt the Religious Right spend too much time on two issues: abortion and homosexuality. They believe Christians should be promoting biblical values such as peace, building strong families, the elimination of poverty, and other important social issues.<1>

The social issues valued by Red-Letter Christians include taking care of the poor, spreading the Gospel, and loving one's enemies. They believe that these are the issues that Jesus spoke of directly, and therefore these issues should be political priorities. Other issues such as homosexual rights, abortion, and war are viewed as important but over-emphasized by both liberals and conservatives.

On the reason for creating Red-Letter Christians, Tony Campolo said, "The purpose of this gathering was not to create a religious left movement to challenge the religious right, but to jump-start a religious movement that will transcend partisan politics."<2>. Campolo has released a book to help explain this, called Red Letter Christians, A Citizen's Guide to Faith and Politics, (Regal Books, February 2008).

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-Letter_Christian


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Jay Bakker
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Jamie Charles (Jay) Bakker (December 18, 1975) is an American Christian pastor and the son of Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye Bakker Messner. He ministers to Revolution Church, a church he founded in 1994 in Phoenix, Arizona with Kelli Miller and Mike Wall.<1> Jay preaches at the New York City branch of Revolution Church located at Pete's Candy Store, 709 Lorimer St., Brooklyn, New York. Pete's Candy Store is a nightclub that features live music at night. Jay is separated with his wife, Amanda Bakker who works with children with AIDS in Africa. Since his wife was moving to New York, Jay turned over the Atlanta location of Revolution to his friend and associate Stu Damron. Much of Jay's story was retold in a documentary on Sundance Channel called One Punk Under God: The Prodigal Son of Jim and Tammy Faye.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bakker

There are NO moderate or progressive Fundamentalists.

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But then again, there are Protestants who don't believe in Protesting, but still...

I'm all for christians focusing on being christ-like. I don't remember him storming around insisting that everyone be "saved," though. He spoke to, and interacted with, the people who gathered to hear or meet him. The only time I remember him knocking on (or down, lol) a door to make a point was when he threw that fit in the temple. Addressing corruption within, not non-believers.

Efforts to convert others crosses my line, though.

There are things to dislike about both.

But let's object to each one for the correct reasons.

Probably because I am not a fundamentalist. It's those fundamentalist nutjobs that you need to watch out for.

The problem is fundamentalists, not evangelicals.

They "hate" the other within.

will only accept a very narrow definition of acceptable behavior for other people, something which is actually none of their business, unless it literally threatens them.

Welcome to D.U., Smith_3. :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Evangelicals.

The question is, how do you get Freedom-haters to publicly reveal their true natures.

You need to realize the radical right has their own definition of the word freedom. For them, freedom can ONLY be achieved through the worship of Jesus, and only through hating gays, liberals, science, and anyone who doesn't worship Jesus